Subject: Re: I'm telling mom!
From: Steve Brown (ganesha@rochester.rr.com)
Date: Wed Aug 08 2001 - 18:25:37 GMT
>
> It isn't really. The drinking age here is a joke, and most everyone
treats
> it like one.
in certain circumstances, that may be true, but the government certainly
does not view it that way. In NY any person who is under 21 and is
operating a motor vehicle under the influence of alcohol loses their
license, on the spot it is arrested and temporarily suspended until a they
are tried for the crime. heavy fines are consistantly levied against adults
whose children have parties involving alcohol, in the event that law
enforcement becomes aware of tis happening.
Most everyone I know drank, at least occasionally, shortly
> after getting into high school (fourteen or fifteen years old) and
drinking
> is a totally ordinary experience by eighteen, especially if you go to
> college. I suppose some of the really good kids, the ones who would
report
> people for smoking in the bathrooms, might not have been drinking in high
> school, but even they start drinking in college.
people who choose not to drink in high school, are not neccesarily scouts
for the man, running off and reporting every violation of school policy. I
personally drink, i do however think that your implication that not drinking
is so how massively opposed to the norm (lets say these really good kids in
your statement make up 10% of the student population) is presumptuous at
best. true, certain social circles in high schools do have large amounts of
alcohol consumption as par for the course, but i do not believe that
represents the majority of students.
>
> There are often bars or liquor stores that don't card (but sometimes
charge
> extra), and when there aren't, most everyone knows 21-year-olds who will
buy
> for them, or someone with an ID saying they are 21-year-olds who will buy
> for them. You don't even need a fake ID since nobody looks at the
picture,
> anyway, just the birth date; if you have an expired ID an older sibling
had
> it will work every time, guaranteed.
>
this may be true where you live, but id checking is something carefully done
here in western ny, where city police will continuously run checks of bars
behavior with undercover agents.
> And open container laws do usually prevent you from drinking in the
street,
> but some places (New Orleans) don't have such laws, other places often
waive
> them for certain events, and you can generally assume that they don't
apply
> on college campuses (even when they do).
>
also not an acceptable assumption in my opinion, it may go unnoticed, but
those rules still apply, and at most colleges I am my friends go to, are
enforced if a security officer sees it occurring, or if a social group (i.e.
frat, cultural organization, sport team, etc) comes under the scrutiny of
the college administration, they are duly fined/suspended/punished in some
way.
steve
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