Re: phonies... Vikings... heathens?

Tina -- are you sure Holden wanted to be a catcher for the sake of his own
personal happiness?

Jim

tina carson wrote:

> Luke,
> I find the movie less than bearable, but the quote is just too funny.
> If you want to look at it with a serious tone, I'd have to disagree with you
> re: Holden. If the quote goes : "If only we were weiner dogs then all our
> problems would be solved." then Holden's version is simply: "If only I
> could be that Catcher in the rye then I would have no more worries." or
> "....then I would be content." or something like that. The original quote
> does, indeed, deny humanity, but it's spoken by electrical appliances. It
> seems to me that there is a "what if" component to all these quotes.
> tina
>
> >>Tina -- that quote seems to me the opposite of Holden's rejection of
> >>phoniness, as does the quote from Enemy of the People.
> >
> >It's denying humanity to some extent ("weiner dogs?!"), and Billing perhaps
> >does it more seriously and directly ("we're all going to be heathens"). I
> >chose the latter passage for its parallels to CITR, as the mother's
> >interjection sort of reminds me of an adult world interrupting the
> >fantasies of youth... this time, however, the fantasies don't seem to be a
> >longing for something genuinely human, and consequently I think they are
> >futile. You might disagree, but that movie seems like kind of a distaction
> >(or a subtle willingness not to confront what Holden must). Maybe this
> >passage will rile up the weiner dogs, whose problems are all solved
> >
> >luke
> >
> >
> >DR. STOCKMANN: You are fighting for the truth, and that's why you're alone.
> >And that makes you strong. We're the strongest people in the world...
> >
> ><i>The crowd is heard angrily calling outside. Another rock comes through
> >the window.</i>
> >
> >DR. STOCKMANN:...and the strong must learn to be lonely!
> >
> ><i>The crowd noise gets louder. He walks upstage toward the windows as a
> >wind rises and the curtains start to billow out toward him.
> >
> > The Curtain Falls.</i>
> >
> >
> >
> >-------Original Message-------
> >From: tina carson <tina_carson@hotmail.com>
> >Sent: 08/01/03 09:26 PM
> >To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> >Subject: Re: phonies... Vikings... heathens?
> >
> > >
> > > I say again and stand by it:
> >
> >"If only we were weiner dogs, then all our problems would be solved."
> >tina
> >
> > >From: Jim Rovira <jrovira@drew.edu>
> > >Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> > >To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> > >Subject: Re: phonies... Vikings... heathens?
> > >Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:48:06 -0400
> > >
> > >Hey...the Brave Little Toaster is a great movie :). Kinda like "Babe"
> >for
> > >the
> > >appliance world...
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >
> > >tina carson wrote:
> > >
> > > > My girlfriend has a young daughter. She loves the movie "The Brave
> > >Little
> > > > Toaster". Although it is a appalling waste of videotape, one line
> > >redeems
> > > > it all, and I use it in response to the excerpt below:
> > > > "If only we were weiner dogs, then all our problems would be solved."
> > > > tina
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >HOVSTAD: Then what will you ever amount to in this world?
> > > > >MORTEN: Me? I'm going to be a Viking.
> > > > >EJLIF: You can't! You'd have to be a heathen!
> > > > >MORTEN: So I'll be a heathen.
> > > > >MRS. STOCKMANN: I think it's getting late, boys.
> > > > >BILLING: I agree with you, Morten. I think -
> > > > >MRS. STOCKMANN, <i>making signs to Billing</i>: You certainly don't,
> > >Mr.
> > > > >Billing.
> > > > >BILLING: Yes, by God, I do. I am a real heathen and proud of it.
> >You'll
> > > > >see, pretty soon we're all going to be heathens!
> > > > >MORTEN: And then we can do anything we want!
> > > > ><< MESSAGE.HTML >>
> > > >
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