Re: phonies... Vikings... heathens?

Dead certain. He was lost, drifting, & looking for a way to be something.
To be the Catcher, he'd have a purpose, a place, and know who he is. He's
looking for a handle, a grounding, & that would fulfill his needs and give
him purpose, justification for living. He's still asking "why am I alive
instead of my much smarter, wiser & more ethereal brother?" He wants to be
the Catcher to give him a reason to BE.
tina

>Tina -- are you sure Holden wanted to be a catcher for the sake of his own
>personal happiness?
>
>Jim
>
>tina carson wrote:
>
> > Luke,
> > I find the movie less than bearable, but the quote is just too funny.
> > If you want to look at it with a serious tone, I'd have to disagree with
>you
> > re: Holden. If the quote goes : "If only we were weiner dogs then all
>our
> > problems would be solved." then Holden's version is simply: "If only I
> > could be that Catcher in the rye then I would have no more worries." or
> > "....then I would be content." or something like that. The original
>quote
> > does, indeed, deny humanity, but it's spoken by electrical appliances.
>It
> > seems to me that there is a "what if" component to all these quotes.
> > tina
> >
> > >>Tina -- that quote seems to me the opposite of Holden's rejection of
> > >>phoniness, as does the quote from Enemy of the People.
> > >
> > >It's denying humanity to some extent ("weiner dogs?!"), and Billing
>perhaps
> > >does it more seriously and directly ("we're all going to be heathens").
>I
> > >chose the latter passage for its parallels to CITR, as the mother's
> > >interjection sort of reminds me of an adult world interrupting the
> > >fantasies of youth... this time, however, the fantasies don't seem to
>be a
> > >longing for something genuinely human, and consequently I think they
>are
> > >futile. You might disagree, but that movie seems like kind of a
>distaction
> > >(or a subtle willingness not to confront what Holden must). Maybe this
> > >passage will rile up the weiner dogs, whose problems are all solved
> > >
> > >luke
> > >
> > >
> > >DR. STOCKMANN: You are fighting for the truth, and that's why you're
>alone.
> > >And that makes you strong. We're the strongest people in the world...
> > >
> > ><i>The crowd is heard angrily calling outside. Another rock comes
>through
> > >the window.</i>
> > >
> > >DR. STOCKMANN:...and the strong must learn to be lonely!
> > >
> > ><i>The crowd noise gets louder. He walks upstage toward the windows as
>a
> > >wind rises and the curtains start to billow out toward him.
> > >
> > > The Curtain Falls.</i>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-------Original Message-------
> > >From: tina carson <tina_carson@hotmail.com>
> > >Sent: 08/01/03 09:26 PM
> > >To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> > >Subject: Re: phonies... Vikings... heathens?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I say again and stand by it:
> > >
> > >"If only we were weiner dogs, then all our problems would be solved."
> > >tina
> > >
> > > >From: Jim Rovira <jrovira@drew.edu>
> > > >Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> > > >To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> > > >Subject: Re: phonies... Vikings... heathens?
> > > >Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:48:06 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Hey...the Brave Little Toaster is a great movie :). Kinda like
>"Babe"
> > >for
> > > >the
> > > >appliance world...
> > > >
> > > >Jim
> > > >
> > > >tina carson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My girlfriend has a young daughter. She loves the movie "The
>Brave
> > > >Little
> > > > > Toaster". Although it is a appalling waste of videotape, one line
> > > >redeems
> > > > > it all, and I use it in response to the excerpt below:
> > > > > "If only we were weiner dogs, then all our problems would be
>solved."
> > > > > tina
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >HOVSTAD: Then what will you ever amount to in this world?
> > > > > >MORTEN: Me? I'm going to be a Viking.
> > > > > >EJLIF: You can't! You'd have to be a heathen!
> > > > > >MORTEN: So I'll be a heathen.
> > > > > >MRS. STOCKMANN: I think it's getting late, boys.
> > > > > >BILLING: I agree with you, Morten. I think -
> > > > > >MRS. STOCKMANN, <i>making signs to Billing</i>: You certainly
>don't,
> > > >Mr.
> > > > > >Billing.
> > > > > >BILLING: Yes, by God, I do. I am a real heathen and proud of it.
> > >You'll
> > > > > >see, pretty soon we're all going to be heathens!
> > > > > >MORTEN: And then we can do anything we want!
> > > > > ><< MESSAGE.HTML >>
> > > > >
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