Re: not playing so nice

That's a pretty twisted juxtaposition, Tina, given the ethics of Hitler and the
ethics behind the Sermon on the Mount, which Western Civ. has yet to surpass. I
mean good lord, Kant's categorical imperative is just a retooled "do unto
others."

You really should learn your subject a bit more before you speak with such
unquestioned certainty.

Jim

tina carson wrote:

> All this was inspired by the principle -- which is quite true in itself --
> that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because
> the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper
> stata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in
> the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to
> the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies
> in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.
> It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and
> they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the
> truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be
> brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will
> continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly
> impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed
> down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who
> conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how
> to use falsehood for the basest purposes.
> -Adolf Hitler
>
> This is my beloved Son; listen to him
> Mark 9:7
>
> Hmmmm.......
> tina
>
> >I think there's a bit of difference between the two claims. Most people I
> >know (but not all) accept that "calling someone the only begotten son of an
> >invisible god" isn't something that's self-evident -- it's not like walking
> >under a tree and noticing the shade. No one (or very few, and they're
> >weirdos) is saying, "Come, here, I will show you Christ and you can see for
> >yourself. He's living in Peoria -- just a short plane trip away." If they
> >do claim to be able to show you Christ, it would be through a mystical
> >experience of some sort you'd have to be open to from the beginning, and
> >one that you'd have to judge for yourself. Still not a slam dunk. And
> >even beyond that, people are perfectly free to say it's all irrelevant to
> >them as you have. I really don't see too many people preaching on these
> >boards. Daniel almost does, but honestly I have a hard time making out
> >what he says sometimes too.
> >
> >However, making accusations of bigotry in a public official should be
> >something that's self evident, once the relevant proof has been offered.
> >It's also immediately relevant to everyone who is a US citizen. If this
> >guy really is a flaming bigot and is in a nationally prominent public
> >office, we should be calling for his resignation. There shouldn't be any
> >question about that.
> >
> >I'm only speaking, of course, from the point of view of the bland civic
> >morality that passes around US society as our ethical lingua franca. It
> >seems like the easiest middle ground to establish in a discussion like
> >this.
> >
> >Anyway, I know some evidence about Ashcroft is out there. I've heard the
> >stories. I think there's one about a judge in a state he used to govern.
> >And another about a study conducted of the US judicial system that
> >concluded there's no racism in it. I'm pretty sure you have too...just a
> >little bit of web browsing should pull up the news articles. I'm curious
> >why you don't bother. Very little effort.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >Omlor@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>Luke writes:
> >>
> >>"...if you're going to call a person "sleazy" and a "bigot," you'd better
> >>damn well prove it..."
> >>
> >>But I have faith.
> >>
> >>Man, you call someone the only begotten son of an invisible god and you
> >>don't have to prove any of it. But you call them a sleazy sheep-fucker
> >>and suddenly faith isn't good enough.
> >>
> >>Oh, well...
> >>
> >>--John (on the road somewhere in Central Florida)
> >
>
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