In a message dated 8/8/99 10:27:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lost_hopes@hotmail.com writes: << appreciation is always available. -Carl >> It's a good goal to want to base your future relationships on mutual trust and respect...go for it :) If that's all you meant (in essence), great. But I've seen soooo many people with terribly misguided expectations, and all of them wound up unhappy. Jim