In a message dated 8/28/99 10:49:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, erespess@inil.com writes: << some people don't like to watch people, and that's okay. some people don't like raymond carver. i would imagine that the meaning of these stories, or the experience of them will change as my own experiences do. elizabeth >> Woah, that was great :) I think there's a lot to that -- the people themselves and their feelings are the meaning, the point, and the end of the matter most of the time. Other times I think there's more going on. But it's hard for me to pick out a story, it's been too long since I've read Carver. Jim