Leonard Cohen has been a favorite of mine for quite a while...I'm gonna flip through some more pages tomorrow, its been a while. Secondly, about blind teenage spirituality, I agree with you completely (AntiUtopia) however, you also seem to imply that Holden and Franny's issues are of an "Immature" spiritual nature...I have to differ. I think its a very bad idea to label all teenage spirituality as incomplete; I think that is, in part, what let to Holden/Franny's breakdown to begin with. Look at Teddy; or the young Seymour Glass. I think that adolescent spiritual issues are oftentimes the most pure because they are allowed to be felt without the corruption of the "accumulated knowledge" that you speak of...being unaware of the inevitable unpleasantries that occur later in life can only serve to make that feeling more intnse, and, unfortunately, more difficult. I'd venture to say that the knowledge of adulthood only helps one DEAL with spiritual epiphany rather than make it more real... They say the 11-year old teenage crush can hurt as much or even more than a divorce. Its all subjective...a spiritual epiphany in Holden's case meant he had nothing to compare it to, making it more intense than anything he would/could ever feel again. All the knowledge of adulthood, to put it quite drastically, only serves as an anaesthetic, in my opinion...novacaine for the soul. Because I won't say that an adult epiphany is any more complete than a teenagers, or less complete, I do think that it hits younger people a lot harder and in a much more emotional fashion. In adults, they have knowledge to balance it...and while able to understand the same concepts, if one has "The Understanding" when one is 15 it will have a remarkable effect on the teenager but only a subtle one on an adult...not in the level of realization, but in the power that it has to devestate one's conciousness. Thats my opinion, anyway, though the psychology of spirituality is a very under-studied field, I think, except for people who don't believe in it. As for this: <MaTRiX>WWW.ONE38.ORG</MaTRiX> <a href="http://www.one38.org">TOYS!</a> [INLINE][INLINE][INLINE][INLINE][INLINE][INLINE][INLINE][INLINE][INLINE] It's my signature file. It's a web site I'm running. Visit it, if you will. -ecas