Scottie wrote that Jung suggested: --- (...) young people who became obsessed with the religious & spiritual (which were *his* concerns) would do better learning to live with their own sexual, competitive & survival instincts. --- Exactly. Sounds like inspiring, get-off-the-couch advice. However (this will be off-topic, I'm afraid) Jesus wasn't over forty when he caused all that trouble to the romans back in the old days. And he did tackle with his own sexual drives (not very satisfactorily, I'll admit, but hey... no one's perfect ;) ) and his competitive and survival instincts (he put them aside, lighted a Murad and moved to other things, he hoped to God). Then Scottie sounds young yet experienced :) : --- Time enough for pondering & evaluating the ends of existence, he suggested, when one had acquired some material to work with. --- Exactly. I'm still too immature to post anything regarding that, but perhaps the concern with the ends of existence is not the religious topic involved in Franny's crisis. Moreover, it isn't even the main point of all religions. As a christianity-rooted writer over forty like Buddy, the ends of existence are important (how can he go on living with Seymour dead?). Franny, I think it's sort of ethic's stuff, isn't it? How to behave ethically having been trained with Zen methods. Holden has the appropiate mix of both religion and every day life, and we sympathise with his young vagueness. The Glasses all share eagerness for meaningful details, since they are self conscious artists, and, as Jim pointed out, we too expect meaning from details. I think that's the way I approach F & Z: it is a religious story for the characters inside it (while they should venture to live love stories), and a love story according to the author, the frame of the story (who should be extracting religious meaning according to his age). So, the way I see it, the formal design of F & Z mixes what love there is in religion, and viceversa, through Zooey: he works like a religious lover, and a loving preacher. The influence of age in my liking of the story is negative: it appeals to me because I can't understand passionate love nor the ends of existence, but I strive to understand their intersection. I don't know, what do you think? (Rereading this, it seems Scottie is right, malgré moi. This message will be automatically destroyed in 5 seconds...) -- diego dell'era (dellerad@sinectis.com.ar)