In a message dated 98-01-18 19:14:48 EST, you write: << Standing on the threshold of maturity spitting gets you nowhere, really, and is quite irritating to those of us who aren't particularly satisfied with the solutions suicide offers nor the incessant whining and temper tantrum throwing of those languishing in solipsistic, nihilistic ennui. >> "Solipsistic, nihilistic ennui" wasn't showing off at all, was it? :) I'm not spitting. I'm just saying that its all about holding on to idealism...and to me the idea that it is going to disappear at a certain age is crap...by adults I was referring to Scotty Bowman's incredibly enlightened letter in which he states that he was once aware of beauty and sensitive to it but then He "Grew Up." THAT is not the "Growing Up" I want to do with my life. Of course I'm not advocating suicide, please don't assume I'm that stupid. I just advocate that life can go on and you can be as idealistic at forty as you can be at 16. Is that something offensive? If I were you I would be offended by Bowmans post stating that sensitivity and earnestness is something that serves only to display immaturity...as if everyone "Grows Out" of earnestness. That's just ridiculous! I want to know just what it is in my post that offended you, exactly...do you prefer to feel that earnestness and dedication rots along with our bodies? -ecas