>I'm just saying that its all about holding on to >idealism...and to me the idea that it is going to disappear at a certain age >is crap... just a quick question--what are these ideals you're so fond of and why are you so consumed by them? and to root this back into salinger...holden is often held up as someone striving to retain his ideals, so what exactly are his ideals? in concrete, declarative sentences please. sorry i'm back in school, and something just came over me. i'm way behind in the posts since the break and it appears i've missed a lot of good stuff. my loss. missed you guys--matt