Re: Kafka and rilke and Perplexity State University

There's a world of difference between asking for voluntary
self-censorship (which can always be ignored by the writer -- it's only
followed at will) and imposing an external censorship (which is imposed
by force against the will of the writer). Kim is doing the latter and
not the former.

I've heard of one poet that "He'd be a great poet if he didn't publish
everything he'd written." A little self-censorship is a good thing, I
think. I don't think there's any escaping the feeling of mortification
most writers have when reading their old works, but perhaps the reasons
for this feeling of mortification won't be quite as...mortifying...if we
follow Kim's advice.

Jim

Kim Johnson wrote:
> --- tina carson <tina_carson@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Oh, Kim, I really must take issue with this one.
>>Ever heard of Walt Witman?
>
>
> was he the guy who had that hot three-way with emilie
> dickinsen and ralph david emersen?
>
>
>
>>Sorry, Kim, I still think
>>you're being an advocate for sensorship, and perhaps
>>a bit snobbish.
>
>
> i'm an advocate for as much sensory experience as
> possible.
>
> it's safe to delete "perhaps" and "a bit".
>
>
>>I
>>don't know about other authors, but even though I
>>would not duplicate it
>>today, I certainly don't regret even the most naive
>>of my works.
>
>
> lucky you. (and, honestly, this is not said snidely.)
>
> kim
>
>
>
>
>>>is what i'm suggesting below censorship?
>>>
>>>i'm still allowing the smitten creator to
>>
>>buttonhole
>>
>>>any poor fool to hear her latest creation.
>>>
>>>i think the permanency of print should perhaps be
>>>withheld until the muse's visitation is over, and
>>>there can be a more judicious assessment of what
>>>transpired.
>>>
>>>surely any number of writers would, if they only
>>>could, wish back their headlong rush into print.
>>>
>>>even our dear doctor on our very own list, it seems
>>
>>to
>>
>>>me, if i read him correctly, regrets allowing his
>>>first two books into print. and these weren't
>>
>>books
>>
>>>of mere juvenilia.
>>>
>>>kim
>>>
>>>--- tina carson <tina_carson@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Sensorship is the death of creativity, Kim
>>>>tina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the sheer amount of contemporary poetry is
>>>>>overwhelming. (i'm not sure if i should put
>>
>>poetry
>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>>quote marks, or not.)
>>>>>
>>>>>personally, i feel we (the readers) would be a
>>>>
>>>>whole
>>>>
>>>>>lot better off if there were to be a stricture
>>
>>on
>>
>>>>>publishing poetry. no poems allowed in print
>>
>>until
>>
>>>>>they have survived at least a year in an
>>
>>airless
>>
>>>>desk
>>>>
>>>>>drawer.
>>>>>
>>>>>but you're free to read them to any unwitting
>>
>>soul.
>>
>>>>>kim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Received on Wed Jul 2 14:44:48 2003