Re: Kafka and rilke and Perplexity State University

at least i didn't suggest that a good many writers
should be locked up in that airless desk drawer.

but, seriously, isn't there a bit of hubris (apart
from my own re the stricture) on the writer's part to
think *everything* which issues forth from her pen
should be read by other people?

kim

--- James Rovira <jrovira@drew.edu> wrote:
> There's a world of difference between asking for
> voluntary
> self-censorship (which can always be ignored by the
> writer -- it's only
> followed at will) and imposing an external
> censorship (which is imposed
> by force against the will of the writer). Kim is
> doing the latter and
> not the former.
>
> I've heard of one poet that "He'd be a great poet if
> he didn't publish
> everything he'd written." A little self-censorship
> is a good thing, I
> think. I don't think there's any escaping the
> feeling of mortification
> most writers have when reading their old works, but
> perhaps the reasons
> for this feeling of mortification won't be quite
> as...mortifying...if we
> follow Kim's advice.
>
> Jim
>
> Kim Johnson wrote:
> > --- tina carson <tina_carson@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Oh, Kim, I really must take issue with this one.
> >>Ever heard of Walt Witman?
> >
> >
> > was he the guy who had that hot three-way with
> emilie
> > dickinsen and ralph david emersen?
> >
> >
> >
> >>Sorry, Kim, I still think
> >>you're being an advocate for sensorship, and
> perhaps
> >>a bit snobbish.
> >
> >
> > i'm an advocate for as much sensory experience as
> > possible.
> >
> > it's safe to delete "perhaps" and "a bit".
> >
> >
> >>I
> >>don't know about other authors, but even though I
> >>would not duplicate it
> >>today, I certainly don't regret even the most
> naive
> >>of my works.
> >
> >
> > lucky you. (and, honestly, this is not said
> snidely.)
> >
> > kim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>is what i'm suggesting below censorship?
> >>>
> >>>i'm still allowing the smitten creator to
> >>
> >>buttonhole
> >>
> >>>any poor fool to hear her latest creation.
> >>>
> >>>i think the permanency of print should perhaps be
> >>>withheld until the muse's visitation is over, and
> >>>there can be a more judicious assessment of what
> >>>transpired.
> >>>
> >>>surely any number of writers would, if they only
> >>>could, wish back their headlong rush into print.
> >>>
> >>>even our dear doctor on our very own list, it
> seems
> >>
> >>to
> >>
> >>>me, if i read him correctly, regrets allowing his
> >>>first two books into print. and these weren't
> >>
> >>books
> >>
> >>>of mere juvenilia.
> >>>
> >>>kim
> >>>
> >>>--- tina carson <tina_carson@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Sensorship is the death of creativity, Kim
> >>>>tina
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>the sheer amount of contemporary poetry is
> >>>>>overwhelming. (i'm not sure if i should put
> >>
> >>poetry
> >>
> >>>>in
> >>>>
> >>>>>quote marks, or not.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>personally, i feel we (the readers) would be a
> >>>>
> >>>>whole
> >>>>
> >>>>>lot better off if there were to be a stricture
> >>
> >>on
> >>
> >>>>>publishing poetry. no poems allowed in print
> >>
> >>until
> >>
> >>>>>they have survived at least a year in an
> >>
> >>airless
> >>
> >>>>desk
> >>>>
> >>>>>drawer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>but you're free to read them to any unwitting
> >>
> >>soul.
> >>
> >>>>>kim
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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