Re: Restored (and a final story for Luke and Daniel)

I'd agree with you that Truth exists, and that when it exists it exists
for everyone (though I suspect it's bigger than any individual point of
view, so different people may emphasize different facets of it). But
big Truth, in this world, has to compete with little truths masquerading
as big Truths and with out and out lies. They're all on the same
level. So in this world it's easier to see the power struggle than the
Truth.

 From this point you'd have to name it and tell us how to recognize it
from its imitators. But to be honest this part of the discussion is so
far removed from any clear referent it's hard to know exactly what we're
talking about. Are we talking about the "Truth about X", or are we
talking about God?

Also, I don't quite buy humanity as a corporate body. I think humanity
along with material nature can be seen as a corporate body, but not
humanity somehow "separate from" nature. Paul uses this image to
describe the church, but abstracts the church from the rest of humanity,
so I'm not quite sure where you're coming from on this one.

Jim

Yocum Daniel GS 21 CES/CEOE wrote:

>
>
> Big T truth exists apart from the observer, I used a word with a
> little t, I apologize. Big T truth is not personal property. I
> am talking about Big T truth, It is not about confirmation it is
> about continuity between separate people. Big T truth does not
> require confirmation, you could confirm it if you want but it is
> the ideal to appeal to when we disagree or agree for that matter.
> If you have your truth and I have mine then you can't have
> reconciliation without one exerting power over the other. But Big
> T truth exerts power over everyone and for the sake of
> understanding one another we surrender some of our power to it,
> and disrespecting one another ceases to be intrinsically a power
> issue with one another but a choice in doing something contrary
> to Big T truth therefore it becomes a power struggle with Big T
> truth. That is why Nietzsche had to say "God is dead." if he
> wanted to retain power and control to enable his free spirit to
> take wing. Obviously his earthly limitations (tent habitation)
> burned his wings off like Icarus.
>
> That is why the tower of Babel had to fall and language had to be
> divided, to prevent anyone from having to much power since we all
> have some power to stroke or slap and not have enough wisdom to
> know when each is appropriate. Separation of power is very
> necessary at this time. We must have authority but we must have
> humility. We promote and check this in each other but to what
> degree without some sort of Big T truth as a standard? We are all
> a body of sorts whether we like it or not, try living totally
> alone for any length of time and not have hallucinations. The
> members of the body are constantly trying to usurp other parts but
> the body as a whole imposes order to the parts. Some call this
> fascism and it is if any part hijacks the whole. But more often
> nowadays it is used as an epitaph by the hijackers against the
> whole. Now, one may divorce them self out of the body but if they
> have no claim to the body any longer and body has no claim to them
> then why should the body entertain the claims of the usurper?
> Some claim that the constrictions of the body kills creativity,
> but as far as I can tell that type of creativity is usually lethal
> to the body and the member. Now, remember, I am talking of the
> healthy body, since the actual body is ill from it's cells growing
> at unregulated cancerous rates it does a poor job regulating
> itself. I think people like Kurt Vonnegut see the sick body but
> instead having compassion, he hates it, instead of offering
> chicken soup he offers a loaded gun. I am sure he is not always
> that extreme but I think his reaction to the illness spills over
> to a general reaction to the body itself. Oh well, what can I
> say? The war goes on and the casualties pile up, both cancerous
> cells and antibodies. We need medicine, help from a source
> outside the body. That is the dichotomy that puzzles modernity,
> how to be a regulated organ in the body and be free. There is
> only one way to reconcile the earthly needs with the ones in the
> clouds that I know of; Reconcile the individual with the body.
> Of course, some say this world is just an illusion but isn't that
> taking themselves out of the discussion?
> Daniel
>

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