RE: Restored (and a final story for Luke and Daniel)

Big T truth exists apart from the observer, I used a word with a little t, I
apologize. Big T truth is not personal property. I am talking about Big T
truth, It is not about confirmation it is about continuity between separate
people. Big T truth does not require confirmation, you could confirm it if
you want but it is the ideal to appeal to when we disagree or agree for that
matter. If you have your truth and I have mine then you can't have
reconciliation without one exerting power over the other. But Big T truth
exerts power over everyone and for the sake of understanding one another we
surrender some of our power to it, and disrespecting one another ceases to
be intrinsically a power issue with one another but a choice in doing
something contrary to Big T truth therefore it becomes a power struggle with
Big T truth. That is why Nietzsche had to say "God is dead." if he wanted
to retain power and control to enable his free spirit to take wing.
Obviously his earthly limitations (tent habitation) burned his wings off
like Icarus.
 
That is why the tower of Babel had to fall and language had to be divided,
to prevent anyone from having to much power since we all have some power to
stroke or slap and not have enough wisdom to know when each is appropriate.
Separation of power is very necessary at this time. We must have authority
but we must have humility. We promote and check this in each other but to
what degree without some sort of Big T truth as a standard? We are all a
body of sorts whether we like it or not, try living totally alone for any
length of time and not have hallucinations. The members of the body are
constantly trying to usurp other parts but the body as a whole imposes order
to the parts. Some call this fascism and it is if any part hijacks the
whole. But more often nowadays it is used as an epitaph by the hijackers
against the whole. Now, one may divorce them self out of the body but if
they have no claim to the body any longer and body has no claim to them then
why should the body entertain the claims of the usurper? Some claim that
the constrictions of the body kills creativity, but as far as I can tell
that type of creativity is usually lethal to the body and the member. Now,
remember, I am talking of the healthy body, since the actual body is ill
from it's cells growing at unregulated cancerous rates it does a poor job
regulating itself. I think people like Kurt Vonnegut see the sick body but
instead having compassion, he hates it, instead of offering chicken soup he
offers a loaded gun. I am sure he is not always that extreme but I think
his reaction to the illness spills over to a general reaction to the body
itself. Oh well, what can I say? The war goes on and the casualties pile
up, both cancerous cells and antibodies. We need medicine, help from a
source outside the body. That is the dichotomy that puzzles modernity, how
to be a regulated organ in the body and be free. There is only one way to
reconcile the earthly needs with the ones in the clouds that I know of;
Reconcile the individual with the body. Of course, some say this world is
just an illusion but isn't that taking themselves out of the discussion?
Daniel

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. First you say that little t
"truth" exists apart from the observer, it is not personal property. Then
you say that "relationships between people is all that really matters." If
"truth" little t isn't personal property, then it can't reside in
interpersonal relationships either, can it? You must believe that the
individual has "truth" but can't know until it's been confirmed by others as
well.

This is pretty enlightenment and is the basis of the idea of "common sense."
I don't buy it. What constitutes "common sense" is usually a product of
power structures and personal interests shared among a large group of
people. Either way, it tells us nothing about "truth" until we subject it
to critique.

Jim

Yocum Daniel GS 21 CES/CEOE wrote:

Jim, little t truth is not truth as applied to the specific. Little t truth
is not related to Big t truth by the specific The implicit discussion in
all these months is about; what is true about truth. One characteristic of
truth is that it is not personal property, it exists on its own apart from
the observer. How can we know that there exists anything apart from the
observer. We don't with philosophy but if you want to relate with others
there is no other way. And as far as I can tell relationships between
people is all that really matters so Truth matters. I could be wrong on all
this, we flawed human lumps of mud can't escape error or flaws, but with big
T truth, I have meaning that I can share, and it can be shared with me. I
suspect most of that chemical psychological help needed now days stems from
the need to relate to others and that need being frustrated. I am sure
Scottie has an opinion on all of this and if we squeeze him hard enough we
can get it out of him, like "fascist" was pinched out of John O. Jim, don't
feel bad, we are all missing something hence our need for others. Jim,
sadly we are often in the realm of little truths good thing we live in
tents. We are all like Franny, a bunch of Pilgrims and hopefully not lost
in that realm. And for the record, a loaded German pistol is not the door
out.
Daniel

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