Re: Gospel of John

Responses below:

tina carson wrote:

> >Tina -- three questions:
> >1. where are you getting your information?
>
> I've been researching this for more than ten years, my info comes from
> literally stacks of books.

Yeah, same here. So what? :) I need more information than you've been giving.
At least quote the Gospel texts and show me, specifically, where they are wrong
about Jewish practice. I've already given you specific examples where the
Gospel of John was right.

> >2. have you read scholarly counter responses to these assertions?
>
> I've read dozens of sides, and I find that too many arguments rely not on
> scholarly research, but on glassy-eyed fanaticism.

I suspect the research you call "glassy eyed fanaticism" and the research you
call "scholarly" is more a function of your biases than the evidence. I've
found very good scholarship arguing all sides. Some is just more speculative
than others, while some is more committed to tradition than others. Everyone
has their points, though.

> >3. can you give me specific examples?
>
> Sure. I've refrained from such thus far because this is a discussion, not a
> research essay. However, anything you'd like to read more of, I'll give you
> a nudge in a scholarly direction.
>
> Oh, your bit about the crucifixion. Jesus states that, like Jonah, he'll be
> dead for 3 days & 3 nights. Now all of the gospels give different time
> frames, but according to John, he dies about sunset on Friday & is up before
> dawn on Sunday. That's 2 nights & 1 day.

1. How does this information support _any_ of the assertions you've made so far?

2. Some scholarship argues that the Gospel of John is working on a Levitical
calendar, so that the narrative actually covers Wed. through Sunday morning. I
can try to make this argument from a close reading of the Gospel of John if you
like. But this has always seemed irrelevant to me.

If you look at part of Friday, all of Saturday, and a smidgen of Sunday (around
sunrise) as the timeline for the crucifixion, as tradition asserts, you do cover
three days and two nights -- just not three complete days. Some commentators
say that God Fudged to get Christ raised as soon as possible :). Others, as I
said, say the narrative actually covers Wed. to Sunday. So what?

> Again, the Pharisees were vilified to further separate Jesus from the Jews.
> Actually, they were probably the ones who gave Judas the money to bribe
> Pilate so that his body could be buried, instead of in a mass grave
> according to Roman law. They were probably hedging their bets just in case
> the romans were overthrown.
> tina

By whom, Tina? Who was in a position to overthrow the Romans at the time?

Jim

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Received on Thu Jul 24 23:57:30 2003