Re: Gospel of John

>Tina -- three questions:
>1. where are you getting your information?

I've been researching this for more than ten years, my info comes from
literally stacks of books.

>2. have you read scholarly counter responses to these assertions?

I've read dozens of sides, and I find that too many arguments rely not on
scholarly research, but on glassy-eyed fanaticism.

>3. can you give me specific examples?

Sure. I've refrained from such thus far because this is a discussion, not a
research essay. However, anything you'd like to read more of, I'll give you
a nudge in a scholarly direction.

Oh, your bit about the crucifixion. Jesus states that, like Jonah, he'll be
dead for 3 days & 3 nights. Now all of the gospels give different time
frames, but according to John, he dies about sunset on Friday & is up before
dawn on Sunday. That's 2 nights & 1 day.

Again, the Pharisees were vilified to further separate Jesus from the Jews.
Actually, they were probably the ones who gave Judas the money to bribe
Pilate so that his body could be buried, instead of in a mass grave
according to Roman law. They were probably hedging their bets just in case
the romans were overthrown.
tina

>
>There's quite a bit of accurate or at least credible information about
>Palestinian Jewish practice during the life of Christ in the Gospel of
>John.
>Furthermore, there's quite a bit of irrelevant detail thrown in that you
>just
>don't find in other Gospel accounts, which makes some connection between
>the
>Gospel of John and an eyewitness account credible, although I think most NT
>scholars don't think the apostle John wrote the Gospel of John.
>
>Take a look at John 5. John describes a pool "near the sheep gate" (and
>gives
>the Aramaic name for it), says it is covered by five (not four or three or
>six)
>"covered colonnades." I don't think you see description with this kind of
>detail in any of the synoptics. Immediately after this you have an account
>of
>"the Jews" persecuting Christ for healing on the Sabbath. This particular
>phrase is a bit disturbing to modern western ears, but in John's Gospel
>it's
>usually (not always) a synonym for the Pharisees or Sadduccees -- who
>identified
>themselves very strongly by lineage, something which Christ didn't seem to
>respect too much (see John 8).
>
>John 10 has similar detail. It doesn't just say Jesus was walking in the
>temple
>area, but specifically in the part of the temple called Solomon's Colonnade
>(vs.
>22). He accurately reports the celebration of the Feast of Dedication
>during
>the winter. I could probably go passage by passage and list every
>description
>of Jewish custom, and show that most if not all of them were right...so
>that's
>why I'm asking for examples.
>
>There's a great deal of concern at the end, for example, for getting the
>body in
>a tomb before the Sabbath starts on sundown Friday, and no one returned to
>prepare the body properly until sunrise Sunday, first light after the end
>of the
>Sabbath, the first possible opporunity to do anything, actually. It's
>pretty
>ironic that the Pharisees were constantly on to Christ for violating the
>Sabbath
>(usually by healing someone), but the people who loved him most wouldn't
>commit
>clear violations even when it came to preparing his body for burial. More
>pretty accurate detail about Jewish practice, at any rate.
>
>Anyway, have at me, but do provide specific examples where you can. Try to
>distinguish between the interpretation of teachings and the bare
>description of
>an actual practice.
>
>Jim
>
>
>
>tina carson wrote:
>
> > allow me to correct. Jesus was born 4 to 6 BCE, died around 30-35 CE
>and
> > unless John were a complete moron, he most CERTAINLY did not write the
> > "Gospel of John", though he may well have written the "Secret Gospel of
> > John". John was a Jew. The writer of John certainly was not, as
>evidenced
> > by the repeated misstatements about how things happened, ie Jewish law.
> > Also, very doubtful that any of the 4 traditional gospels were written
>by
> > Jews, and certainly not by the followers of Jesus who almost certainly
> > wqould not know Greek. We know that they were apparantly originally
>written
> > in Greek because of word choices, and because they were written in Greek
>&
> > Latin for fgoreign audiences and this was when the conspiracy took place
>to
> > change the man's name to the Greek "Jesus" thereby seperating him from
>the
> > Jews.
> > tina
>
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