On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 17:29:04 +0000 Scottie Bowman <bowman@mail.indigo.ie> writes: > > '...One of the things I admire most about deconstruction > is the way it sublimates the authority of the author...' > > What does that mean, Will ? > > Scottie B. > THINGS I LIKE ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION: 1. It got Scottie vocally involved. 2. It go Will's Hackles up. That NEVER happens :) 3. It provides a forum for meaningful discourse about deriving meaning from texts. Now I'm-a-gonna use that forum... First off, Scottie, many of my ideas were culled from a fellow Brit--C.S. Lewis. He's pre-deconstruction, actually--pre-reader response, for that matter. He's a contemporary to I.A. Richards, another Brit, wrote _Principles of Literary Criticism_, spent half the book talking about something else entirely. You'd like it :). Lewis was BOTH a published author of fiction AND a noted literary critic at the top of his field in his day. He spoke from both sides of the fence, and knew that he was not the source of the meaning of his text. He looked to his contemporaries to help provide that. This isn't to say he had no concept of the meaning of his text, just that he didn't see himself as the final voice on the subject. He did share frustration yourself and all the other published authors on the list feel when some readers Just Don't Get It, and in the face of these types of readers I understand your chagrin. We're crediting idiots with genius, it seems. Scottie, you don't have to treat all readers with equal seriousness. So it is possible to be a widely published, well noted author and disagree with your position. But I guess it takes a background in critical theory to do so :) Another Brit comes to mind...TS Eliot. Well, he doesn't count, he a transplanted colonist :) So this isn't necessarily something limited to France and the States, although I'm willing to tolerate snide remarks directed toward the States provided you have good enough insults about the French. That, in my opinion, makes EVERYTHING worthwhile :) Now, I think modern critical theory is missing it too in some ways. See, when we argue Author vs. Reader as far as the origin of meaning in a text, we're still placing the meaning of a text in a Subject--a person. I believe the meaning of a text resides in THE TEXT as interpreted by the READING COMMUNITY to whom it was written (not any single individual, but a community of individuals over a period of time). Let me put it another way. The meaning of a text resides in its language. Language is bigger than any one of its users, but only as big as all of its users put together, past and present. Authors are subject to the fact that language is bigger than they are, just as readers are subject to that fact. Neither can Make a text Mean Anything they want. But any person can influence language by pressuring it in the presence of the community, changing it. It happens regularly, in fact. Since a single text can be read across many different reading communities, many different meanings are possible, some sometimes contradictory. I would give first place to the community to which the author wrote--the community of which the author was a part. Now in the light of this, Matt's question was pretty on target. Ok, yes, there IS a difference between an apple painted by Cezanne and a critic commenting on it. BUT, whenever we talk about deriving meaning from a text, we FACE THE SAME ISSUES either way. We have to decipher the criticism just like we have to decipher the painting. Text is text on that level. The effect upon the Decipher-er (forgive me :) ), is different in each case, but the issues are very, very similar. Jim _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]