Scottie Bowman wrote: > `... And are you certain that writers themselves know, > even in general, what it is they want to express or communicate?...' > > There's something delicious about that `... even in general...' Thank you. > There's the rather clear indication where they should apply for > further enlightenment. Not a clear indication by any conscious intention of mine. This misunderstanding should do nicely to illustrate my point, and the point of many another person who has recently suggested that writers don't always succeed with what they mean. And there is perhaps the happy possibility that I did indeed "mean" that "clear indication," after all. > I expect the same authority can also tell > us what Dejeuner sur l'herbe or what Beethoven's final quartet > are ACTUALLY about. > > All those hard-won lines of Salinger. A modest start. Now the > real work can begin. > > Scottie B. An attempt at further clarification: part of the point to the little joke about artists and critics I recently sent to the list was that neither holds privilege over the other. This belief of mine stems in part from the fact (opinion, I should say) that some of our finest writers and thinkers stand clearly on neither side of the artist-critic line. From Dr. Johnson, who had a splendorous creative spirit, to Eco to even Derrida, people with a drive to write (and the fortune to be published and pondered over) tend not to be exclusively creative or critical in stature and inclination. Everyone from Milton to Heaney earned advanced academic degrees that no doubt required writing cold, critical treatises of various lengths and ambitions. I don't especially like Arnold's poetry, but it is usually accounted good enough to be called poetry, and it's possible that "Dover Beach" is anthologized on the strength of its own merit as well the merit of its writer. Yet Arnold suffered himself to excrete volumes of academical prolusions. John Ruskin is probably the loudest self-elected and self-promoted critic of Art in the tradition, and yet his prose has a pleasant flair that surely both Henry James and Mark Twain learned something from. Carlyle's social criticism is equally enjoyable taken as fiction or allegory as it is when read as social criticism. And of course, you could read him in all three spirits simultaneously. Critics and artists can cohabitate in the same writing subject. Some time ago, you suggested that the difference between criticism and art could easily be seen in many a random sample--you chose Cezanne as the artist and a person writing an essay on him as the critic. A valid and sturdy example of the difference between artist and critic. Many of the people on this list could sit down and tinker with definitions, etymologies and embellished hypothetical situations and succeed in cleverly deconstructing the difference between Cezanne and the essay-writer. But the distinction obviously stands, on more than just an intuitive level. [ObSal] Even though Salinger might council unlearning differences, and even though we might, in good spirit or in good fun, succeed in doing so from time to time, completing such a task on a scale of any significance would require sea changes bigger and far more catastrophic than Noah's silly, soggy little flood. Barthes killed the author (or at least discovered the body), but my professors still arrive at work every day to teach, and they don't seem convinced that they're all Baudrillardian ghosts whisping about in post-reality. Poststructuralism did away with Agency and the writing subject, but I still arrive at school every day to teach freshman composition and assign grades, with Agency, to my writing subjects. Most of the controversial bits of theory we've been discussing here derive from the same post-logic of poststructuralism. But hardly anybody takes the idea of erasing differences or of the death of the author entirely seriously, with the full range of implications. Those who do, if they are out there, aren't likely to be participating in the various metropols of empirical reality, of which this list is one. So we aren't likely to hear from them. Above, though, to compliment the Cezanne/essayist scenario, there are examples of people who are both artists and critics, and there is also a broader definition of "critic" than the one suggested by your essay-writer. Isolated instances can point to fundamental differences between artists and critics, but such fundamentals, especially when founded on complacency and elitism, do not obtain universally. -- Matt Kozusko mkozusko@parallel.park.uga.edu