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From: Matt Kozusko <mkozusko@virtual.park.uga.edu>
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Subject: Re: JDS, Modernism (was Eric's sexuality)
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On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, WILL HOCHMAN wrote:
> Matt, if you are saying that for something to be postmodern it needs that
> intention, i disagree.
I'll certainly go this far: half of what we might call "postmodern"
status in literature is determined by the reader, which makes what the
author, uh, intended immaterial. It's not that the postmodern is all that
closely linked to reception theory (or whatever one wants to call it),
but, as you indicate in your post, i think, part of the postmodern
condition is taking reading beyond mere reading. Letting the act of
reading be informed by a larger context: the twentieth-century,
post-Heideggerian epistomology (?)--things generally postmodern (boy, am I
feeling noncommital tonight). But it does seem, in part, to come back to
or down to the *reading itself*. It's as if the whole act of reading, as
a focal point of thinking, was transformed sometime after WWI.
Postmodernism as an idea, an age, a concept, a process, a context...an
ur-structure...
I will maintain that for me, classifying something as postmodern involves
a conscious decision--a conscious selection of a certain context. This
inevitably, unavoidably (ineluctably!) involves intention; it makes the
postmodern something that someone "intends."...
> ps: I've been trying to see seymour as a gay man and have to admit that
> could explain why he might have married muriel but not much else.
I can't see him as gay. Perhaps the initial post was unclear--I just
thought it was interesting to consider Gwynn and Blotner's idea against
the background of the list's recent discussion of sexual orientation.
I've always thought of Seymour as amused by and involved in sexuality, but
only as a healthy diversion/passtime. I've always thought of him as a
character who had completely conquered sexuality (and Freud, and all the
psychocritics--and Lacan if he'd ever heard of him, though perhaps that
is D-D Smith's territory). As a character not troubled by sexuality, and,
in that sense, emblematic of Salinger's implicit/explicit attitude towards
the psychoanalysis trend of the time. Not troubled by sexulity, but not
at all above engaging in it. I'm thinking of a line from "Seymour":
"...and all the lofty ??? who know so well what we should and should not
do with our poor little sex organs" (apologies--no book here right now).
Doesn't Seymour seem somehow emblematic of this JDS attitude towards
people who want to define the problems of the West in terms of sexuality?
The Glass family as "in tune" with sexuality but not troubled by it--and
that, of course, as a function of the Glasses' "Eastern" reading of the
New Testament, which recognizes sexuality as a component of earthly love,
clearly subservient (but not antithetical) to a Godly love.
Matt
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Subject: Re: hypertexts
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On Sat, 1 Mar 1997 oconnort@nyu.edu wrote:
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> ....was the Talmud.
>
> There you might have a passage that is annotated and remarked upon
> by scholars, whose scholarly remarks would be themselves be interpreted
> and remarked upon by scholars, and any of the remarks -- whether on
> the original text or the commentaries -- might contain references to
> other Talmudic passages.
>
Okay--but are we at some level here equating hypertext with layers of
glosses? Perhaps it would be useful to distinguish hypertextuality from
intertextuality. any takers? An interesting thought: I once dropped a
really long paper loaded with footnotes, endnotes, and other reader
redirectors into an HTML converter. The converter changed all of my
footnotes into hypertext links pointing to a separate file. If it were
smart enough to process content, I suspect it might have annotated the
body of the paper, linking certain words to other texts as well.
Matt
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Subject: Re: Sex and the mod/pomo debate
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On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Jon Tveite wrote:
> Intent has a lot to do with my definition of postmodernism. Blurring
> genres isn't enough, for me, without evidence that the author is
> self-consciously aiming to subvert modernist conventions. Late modernism,
> which is how I would classify Salinger, is very much concerned with
> expanding the reach and range of modernism through innovation of form,
> adaption of pop culture forms, and taking new points of view.
> Postmodernism does many of the same things, but with a certain amount of
> malice toward modernism which is missing from late modernism (obviously).
It's this "malice," as you call it (and I agree), that I had in mind when
I suggested that the distinciton between modernism and postmodernism is
essentialy parallel to the distinction between structuralism (literary,
semiological, and anthropoligical) and poststructuralism (across the
humanities). Poststructuralism really isn't all that big of a leap from
structuralism; it merely involves turning structuralism back on itself in
a kind of irritated way. Cetainly this involves an amount of malice--and
an amount of meta-awareness. It is ultimately a game of one-upmanship
(I'm thinking of Poe's "Purlioned Letter" and the critical debate that
followed it as collected in "The Purlioned Poe"). Doing many of the same
things, but doing them in an ironic, meta-motivated fashion.
matt
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