Subject: Re: bananafish-digest V1 #243
jbecker@antigoschools.k12.wi.us
Date: Thu Mar 20 1997 - 13:10:35 GMT
>>leads to nasty internet verbal battles that may be deemed Indecent and
>>[given today's events in d.c., and the official ruling to be delivered by
>>the Court this summer] possibly against the law.
>
>
>Arguing is not considered "indecent" nor is name calling. Ad honieum
>arguments have always been childish, and I even admit to doing it.
>
>But good point about the CDA. Today (for those who don't know), marked the
>first day that the oral arguments were given in the Supreme Court for the
>CDA. The decision will be reached by late spring or early supper. Last
>fall, a Philadelphia court already ruled that three of the laws bundled in
>the CDA were unconstitutional. I have written a commentary on it, and have
>been waiting to get it up on my web site, but my ftp server is acting
>weird. The address is: www.net-link.net/~lisar/censor.htm It has links to
>other sites such as Electronic Frontier Federation, that has just oddles of
>information about the CDA and other related topics.
>
>ttfn.
>
>
>
>>
>>this is such a spiritual conversation. wouldn't seymour be proud!
>>
>>
>>-myron
>>
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>>__________________________________________________________________________
>>http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~mws4c/me.html
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>>I have made myself personally responsible for the fate of every human being
>> who has come my way. Anais Nin
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>Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:18:07 -0500
>From: "Lisa M. Rabey" <lisar@net-link.net>
>Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0
>
>my apologies for putting Katrinas name as Kristina and for giving out the
>wrong url for the paper:
>
>www.net-link.net/~lisar/censored.htm
>
>it will be up when i can get my server to stop being a pain in the rear.
>
>
>
>Lisa M. Rabey
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>If I have to listen to their opinions, I deserve compensation. -Dogbert
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>Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:24:42 -0500 (EST)
>From: mws4c@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
>Subject: [none]
>
>OB-Salinger:
>
>who is betty eppes? i'd also like to get in on such an interview. maybe
>this discussion of satanism can be read into salinger's works: that is,
>is there such an overindulgent thread or character in a salinger writing?
>with many discussions about christianity, zen and other spiritual
>pursuits, i am sure there is some place for satanism to be found (without
>too much digging) in jds. not to put you on the spot further katrina, but
>have you found elements of your beliefs in reading salinger? if so,
>where? would you say that salinger helped shape your spiritual opinions
>in any way? anyone?
>
>
>[not so related to salinger]
>
>> << Satan stood for a lot more than indulgence.
>
>but i would think that to satanists, not only is Satan first and foremost
>a symbol of indulgence, but he is *only* a symbol of indulgence. satan
>did attmpt to usurp god's power, but he acted in his own interests and
>without regard to a standard of good or evil. it was god (and humanity
>tends to side with his actions, rather than lucifer's) who declared that
>what satan did was evil. i think that might be a key point in satanism:
>acting without regard or belief in a system of good or evil. it's kind of
>machiavellian, to go out on a limb. to walk the limb further, that was
>kind of what some of the beat crowd believed: one should just enjoy life
>and do what makes them happy, because there isn't any good or evil or
>consequences to their actions. there is only good if you get what you
>want and are happy, and it is bad if you don't/aren't happy.
>
>i just read your message, lisa - if you define an atheist as someone who
>doesn't believe in supernatural forces or anything other than human
>existence as the highest form of life (feel free to take words out of your
>mouth which i have put in that you don't like), i can agree with that and
>your argument.
>
>> yr forgetting I'm not christian, I do not believe in the bible, or any of the
>> christian teachings, therefore, I do not believe in the christian devil, its
>> a completely different thing to me than most
>
>i don't see how you could have come to call yourself a satanist if it
>weren't for the bible. you're right, of course - for satanists, it *is* a
>completely different thing, but surely you have to at least acknowledge
>satan's (and satanism's) literary/religious origin and validity as a
>character in such a context.
>
>- -myron
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>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:13:11 -0500
>From: "Lisa M. Rabey" <lisar@net-link.net>
>Subject: CDA and related information
>
>Please excuse my 'nettiqette by cross posting, but seemingly as all these
>lists will be affected by the outcome of this case. For those -not- in the
>know, as of March 19, the CIEC went to court with 20 other plaintiffs to
>have the CDA overturned. Such material, including the discussion of but not
>relating to, sex, pornography and other subversive material, is
>considerably, at this time, illegal, though the Philadelphia Supreme Court
>found that three of the laws in the CDA to be unconventional and were thus
>overturned.
>
>What I have done was give a commentary on the subject as well as providing
>more information for those interested in doing more research. Also included
>is the actual bill that passed as well as the suits that were followed as
>well as other additional information.
>
>My purpose to pass along the information to you, because I recognize that
>not everyone is up to date on such matter. My essay is mearly a commentary
>of the events as well as my personal opinion.
>
>The site for the essay is:
>
>www.grfn.org/~seducer/censored.htm
>
>Due to problems with my other provider, I am placing it up on the mirror
>site tonight. As of tomorrow, it should be accessible by:
>
>www.net-link.net/~lisar/censored.htm
>
>Thank you for your time
>
>Disclaimer: I have spell checked the page, and corrected some obvious
>grammar problems, but it is not perfect as it could possibly be. Please
>don't email me and nitpick about such things. Thanks;)
>
>
>
>
>Lisa M. Rabey
>NetLink Systems, LLC
>Tech Support and Web Design
>http://www.net-link.net/~lisar
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>Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:45:50 -0800
>From: Malcolm Lawrence <Malcolm@wolfenet.com>
>Subject: Betty Eppes
>
>"Ob-Salinger: Anyone have a copy of the Betty Eppes interview? I've
>never seen or read it and I'm dying to after the NPR piece last month!"
>
>Me either. I'd love a copy too if anyone DOES have a copy
>
>Malcolm
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>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:48:58 -0500
>From: George Ford <bf20455@binghamton.edu>
>Subject: Re: maybe "Santa-ist" is a better word
>
> if
>>you like, Satan is a character and a symbol of indulgence from a work of
>>literature (say, the bible), and satanists have adopted and incorporated
>>his philosophy into their lives. this faith requires merely the
>>acknowlegdement of satan as a literary entity and not necessarily as a
>>supernatural force who is the embodiment of evil.
>
>Correctamundo. I thought immediatey of "Portrait of the Artist" (my
>favorite book, sorry JD-ers) where Stephen has it drilled in his head
>repeatedly by the Jesuits that Satan was cast down to hell because he merely
>thought "I will not serve". It would seem to me, then, that a satanist is
>someone who looks at the Christian dogma and says, "I will not serve", hence
>the Levey 'bible' of indulgence vs. abstinance, et al. Adhering to ideals
>opposite those of Christianity, which by no means implies worshipping Satan,
>or anyone else, as a deity. There is nothing 'evil' about any of this.
>
>Ob-Salinger: What's the latest Hapworth date? Anyone else getting
>restless? Who should play young Seymour in the movie? (just kidding)
>******************************************
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>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:51:41 -0500
>From: George Ford <bf20455@binghamton.edu>
>Subject: Re: maybe "Santa-ist" is a better word
>
>>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:48:58 -0500
>>To: bananafish@cassatt.Mass-USR.COM
>>From: George Ford <bf20455@binghamton.edu>
>>Subject: Re: maybe "Santa-ist" is a better word
>>
>> if
>>>you like, Satan is a character and a symbol of indulgence from a work of
>>>literature (say, the bible), and satanists have adopted and incorporated
>>>his philosophy into their lives. this faith requires merely the
>>>acknowlegdement of satan as a literary entity and not necessarily as a
>>>supernatural force who is the embodiment of evil.
>>
>>Correctamundo. I thought immediatey of "Portrait of the Artist" (my
>favorite book, sorry JD-ers) where Stephen has it drilled in his head
>repeatedly by the Jesuits that Satan was cast down to hell because he merely
>thought "I will not serve". It would seem to me, then, that a satanist is
>someone who looks at the Christian dogma and says, "I will not serve", hence
>the Levey 'bible' of indulgence vs. abstinance, et al. Adhering to ideals
>opposite those of Christianity, which by no means implies worshipping Satan,
>or anyone else, as a deity. There is nothing 'evil' about any of this.
>>
>>Ob-Salinger: What's the latest Hapworth date? Anyone else getting
>restless? Who should play young Seymour in the movie? (just kidding)
>>
>If y'all are getting this for the second time, sorry: server wierdness.
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>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:11:16 -0500 (EST)
>From: Hotspur8@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Betty Eppes
>
>In a message dated 97-03-20 00:44:38 EST, STEPHEN writeS:
>
><< "Ob-Salinger: Anyone have a copy of the Betty Eppes interview? I've
> never seen or read it and I'm dying to after the NPR piece last month!"
>
> Me either. I'd love a copy too if anyone DOES have a copy
>
> Malcolm >>
>
>
>once you get it, i believe a posting would be in order.
>much tanks.
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>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:24:28 +0900
>From: Takeshi Ikeda <ike@math.tohoku.ac.jp>
>Subject: Hello! I have a Question.
>
>Hello all! I'm a new subscriber to this list.
>I'm Japanese. So please overlook my sintax errors, mispellings
>etc. My name is Takeshi IKEDA and I lives in Sendai, Japan.
>The first book of J.D.Salinger I read is 'Raise High'.
>I read it in the Japanese version by Takashi NOZAKI.
>Soon I was facinated by the stories of the Glass family.
>My current favorites are 'Franny','Raise High' and 'Esme'.
>
>As you know, the JDS's books, especially 'Chacher', has many
>readers in Japan. Most of his books were translated into
>the Japanese. Even the book of 'Hapworth' in the Japanese appeared
>in 1977! But unfortunately, there isn't the good Japanese
>translation of 'Seymour', I think. So I have an intention to
>put 'Seymour' into the Japanese by myself <<some day>>. That' why
>
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>% %
>% I want to know the source of the two passages from Kafka %
>% and Kierkegaard at the beginning of "Seymour: an Introduction". %
>% %
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>
>Does anyone have any idea where to consult the vast works of
>the two great writers?
>
>Takeshi IKEDA at Mathematical Institute,Tohoku University, Sendai JAPAN
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>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:57:17 +0100
>From: gblasi@mirabella.peoples.it
>Subject: Salinger & italiano
>
>Al mio ingresso in mailing-list, chiedevo ce c'era qualcuno che potesse
>parlare, in italiano, di JDS e del suo lavoro. Non ho avuto risposta. Ci
>riprovo di nuovo, sperando. Nel caso ci fosse qualcuno, pu=F2 usare, se=
> crede,
>anche la mia mail-box. Per una settimana, dal 21 marzo al 27 marzo, sar=F2 a
>New York, Hotel Pennsylvania, 212 736 5000, Mr Giancarlo Blasi. Andr=F2,=
> allo
>stagno di Central Park South, tra l'altro, penso domenica.
>Sarei felice se qualcuno mi chiamasse o mi scrivesse.
>Purtroppo il mio inglese =E8 assolutamente disastroso.
>giancarlo
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>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:04:16 +0500 (GMT+0500)
>From: Sundeep Dougal <holden@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in>
>Subject: Re: Administrativia (was Re: Katrina Sucks)
>
>Stephen, hey, I offered some time back (when the FAQ discussion came up)
>to digitise it for your page. Will do it soonish. Thanks, Will, publically,
>for providing it. Ah, okay, you can check the Paris Review copyright
>angle on it.
>
>>
>> Ob-Salinger: Anyone have a copy of the Betty Eppes interview? I've
>> never seen or read it and I'm dying to after the NPR piece last month!
>> Stephen Foskett sfoskett@mass-usr.com
>
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>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:07:29 -0500 (EST)
>From: Hotspur8@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Salinger & italiano
>
>In a message dated 97-03-20 03:14:13 EST, you write:
>
><< Al mio ingresso in mailing-list, chiedevo ce c'era qualcuno che potess=
>e
> parlare, in italiano, di JDS e del suo lavoro. Non ho avuto risposta. Ci
> riprovo di nuovo, sperando. Nel caso ci fosse qualcuno, pu=F2 usare, se =
>crede,
> anche la mia mail-box. Per una settimana, dal 21 marzo al 27 marzo, sar=F2=
> a
> New York, Hotel Pennsylvania, 212 736 5000, Mr Giancarlo Blasi. Andr=F2,=
> allo
> stagno di Central Park South, tra l'altro, penso domenica.
> Sarei felice se qualcuno mi chiamasse o mi scrivesse.
> Purtroppo il mio inglese =E8 assolutamente disastroso.
> giancarlo >>
>
>any takers on translating this one...? my italiano is a little rusty--
>actually, i studied french.
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>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:25:00 -0700
>From: Patti Larrabee <Patti.Larrabee@hsc.utah.edu>
>Subject: Re:JDS
>
>When I was Katrina's age I, too, looked around at many different
>philosophies. What is so odd for this list is that it was JDS, specifically
>Franny & Zooey, that really touched my heart and literally changed my life!
>You people must be pretty old to not remember your teenage years. I walked
>around for more then a year telling all who would listen that I was an
>existianlist (sp?). Maybe Katrina will evolve into something like Wiccan
>which has some really gentle and wonderful aspects to it. Anyway, get off
>her back!!! She is just a kid, remember.
>Patti
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>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:50:30 +0100
>From: sandra.maor@infoboard.be (Sandra Maor)
>Subject: Re: Salinger & italiano
>
>>any takers on translating this one...? my italiano is a little rusty--
>>actually, i studied french.
>
>I don't speak italian but as french is pretty close I can understand it a
>little and here's what I understood (or guessed): he's interested in this
>mailing list, would like to speak in italian about Salinger and his works
>if anyone speaks italian out here. He had asked before but didn't get any
>answers. He asks that if someone do speak italian, he'd reply him
>privately. He'll be in New York from March 21 to 27 at the Hotel
>Pennsylvania, phone:212 736 5000, his name is Mr Giancarlo Blasi. He'd like
>someone to email him and I think to meet him when in NY cause his english
>is very bad. I hope I understood his email right.
>
>Sandra
>
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from: jbecker@antigoschools.k12.wi.us
Subject: Hello
hello. I'm not sure if i'm doing this correctly. My name is Janet:). I'm
new to the list, I found it through, obviously, Steven Foskett's bananafish
website, as I'm sure all of you out there did. Please, when you get a
chance, somebody e-mail me with instructions on what I'm supposed to do
here. I want to discuss jds works with you as well as participate in your
other discussions (this satanist thing is getting really old, though, after
the massive volumes of mail I had to sort through).
Should I tell you about myself? 17, dyed brown/red hair, 5'9", senior who
can't decide which college to go to next year (MY top choice, UW Madison
nixed me, so does anyone out there know which is better: UW Oshkosh or UW
Eau Claire? I'm currently supposed to be a Journalism major, but I want to
be an English Lit. Major instead).
Like I said, though, I don't really know what I'm doing, so I'm posting an
appeal NOW: Please, if you do have a problem with the way I do things,
like this message, let me know. I can take constructive criticism, but
anything like "Janet sucks" would really ruin my day.
Janet ;)
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