Despite the mainstream academic disgust that has probably accompanied Irvine Welsh's 'Trainspotting', I think that it's excellent. > take for example cormac mcarthy's unorthodox use of no quotes It's hard to imagine 'Trainspotting', with quotation marks in it - if there were any they would greatly diminish the overall effect of the book, which is stunning. The realism was astonishing. It is one of those rare books in which you are drowned. It is like nothing I have ever experienced in literature, or any other medium for that matter. Talking about conventional literary styles etc. Above I have said 'for that matter'. I read that a novel is like a running event, sometimes you have to use cliches because you can't sprint all the time. I can see their validity in character speech but I think as a rule... fuchk.... 'as a rule'.... but I think that it is best to generally avoid the use of cliches' except when employing them as a literary convention to be modified eg, 'like a bat out of hell' - 'He ran like a bat out of hell, except that bats fly instead of running, and he was not running from hell - he was running to heaven.' People like Douglas Adams and Grant Naylor do things like this. Incidentally, Teddy's orange peels struck me as though Salinger had been there himself. Today the post finally brought my personal, individually hand-carved copy of 'Twayne's Masterwork Studies' on the catcher, entitled 'Innocence Under Pressure'. The first page appropriately reads 'For those who worry about the ducks'. Room Five O Seven, S. left us. We left B. in Room Three O Seven. CRAP HAIKU: Nor see more, Seymour, Some bananas eat themselves For thee, poor Seymour. P.S. I was not in the right mood to write this post and it has become as stupid and inconspicuous as a punch-bowl in a turd. Yes that's right, as inconspicuous as punch-bowl in a turd. Godot.