<<<The '2+2=' thing still reminds me of Orwell's 1984 statement. I've thought about the 2+2 question a lot and I've decided that the answer is: 2+2 = 2+2 Buddhism wouldn't be as presumptuous as to provide no answer to the question. >>> My old philosophy prof once told me that when he was studying Buddhism that he asked his master guy the same question. The master guy said that the only answer is the sun in the sky and water in the bucket, or something like that. This, he said came from an old Buddhist proverb, and meant that if you look for answers you are already lost. Answers and questions give respect to logic and for a Buddhist logic is what you are trying to get away from because that's what got you into trouble in the first. Place. It's like this, to a normal person with a first grade education 2+2=4 right, more math. Now the question what does life mean leads a college educated person to say well to get a good paying job, more language. I guess all this philosophical mumbo jumbo is leading to the idea that systems, even the ultimate systems like math and reason and language will lead you to answers that depend on math and logic and language and have nothing to do with the outside world. Its kind of like trusting a blue print and not actually touching the building. Now what the hell does all this mean . . .well I think it means to not be so trusting and to always seek even if you are sure the answer is 4 and you are sure you can describe something perfectly in a language every one can understand. It's kind of like when Teddy said that people are always looking for where things are stopping off. I think the whole point that prof and the master guy was trying to make is that the universe, the outside world or oh my god truth is never as easy as math or language or reason and sure a hell of a lot more complicated than questions and answers and definitely without limitation. I think that's what maybe Salinger was trying to say through Holden because he's a bright kid who could probably do great in math and history of Egyptians but what does that all add up to? "common sense." Well everyone at his school has common sense and I think we'd all agree that no one at the school is exactly morally and spiritually sound. <<<how else can we understand?>> As for how can we understand there can be many paths to the top of the mountain but poetry is not a reason based language all the time, music breaks into different systems and directions. Also the gestures and matters of the everyday as Raymond Carver would argue and so would Salinger. Please mail me back, is all this making any sense. Suerte