i was under the impression you could participate in 'both'. The point is , you have to eat the 'apples' (logic, knowledge) and then transcend this logic, because it gets in the way of enlightenment etc. why assume that just because you eat the apples, you cant have the pudding? after all, until the age of, what, 16, you're force fed apples every day. why else dyou think it is that the glass kids are so damn intelligent? or de daumier is so talented? or am i just picking up fag- ends?...