In a message dated 11/5/99 8:24:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, facethecrowd@hotmail.com writes: << But I am hopeless in my optimism, and in that case, yes, I can see your point in my being foolish. But great things are left undone without the whim of a fool. >> No, Japhe, you're a fool because you think your feelings are the most important (and most real) thing about the situation. Fools generally "accomplish" little, although they do "act out" a great deal. Let me give you some insight into your friend's marriage: 1. She makes him feel like crap too. 2. No matter what she says, on some level they do love each other. If they didn't, they wouldn't be so pissed off. She's still with him because she wants to be. When she doesn't want to be with him anymore, she'll leave. Argh. I'm done. Have fun :) Jim P.S. Lauren -- sheesh. . .now I wish I had a garland or something to give you :) Hmmm... **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** Sorry, best I could do on short notice. Hope it doesn't look too much like a crown of thorns :)