hmm...not to say the opposite of what you just said, lisa, but i have some different opinions about alanis. so, i guess i am saying the opposite of what you just said...oh well. this has absolutely no salinger content..but maybe i can squeeze some in. i think there's a huge, justified backlash against alanis, a tendency to rightfully smash her, because i think she's sort of...well...a fake. a salinger-esque phony. a total product of her culture. ok, i have her damn cd, and i loved it. but then i started reading and talking about her a bit, and discovered that she is kind of created (as most musicians these days are, i admit) by the music industry. the reason i don't like her anymore is because i feel like she realized that this "angry chick" (using the term with the maximum amount of love and affection and a good chunk of irony) thing was going to be the Next Big Thing, and she got on the bandwagon and was seen as part of the vanguard. the other reason i don't like her is because i feel like she stole a lot of ani difranco's..well...whole persona. ani is the complete opposite of alanis for me. she is completely self made, founded her own record company to sell her records which she's made like 9 of, and she's only 25 or so. ani is like holden, alanis is like...stradler. or sally hayes. an updated version. but, maybe not. maybe she's real. but it seems to be that she's completely created by the record industry. in the 80's she was singing cheesy debbie gibson songs, and in the 90's she was screaming out ani-type anthems of self-empowerment and skepticism of men. i'm not quite sure i completely understand the alanis thing in relation to the e.e. cummings thing, though. well, as ani herself would say (and indeed has said): "generally my generation wouldn't be caught dead working for the Man and generally i agree with them, but you're got to have yourself an alternate plan...i have earned my disillusionment, i have been working all of my life, and i am a patriot: i have been fighting the good fight... and what if there are no damsels in distress? what if i knew that, and i called your bluff?" --"not a pretty girl" lagusta On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Lisa M. Rabey wrote: > > Anyways, a lot of female singers (the tori's, sarah's, ani's) of the world aren't quite so "angry" about their music. Alanis is. She tell is it how it is, more or less, in your face. Hitting that edge between the surralism of the whinygirlgroups and har dc > > ore bands (ie: 7 year bitch). > > > Alanis's cd (jagged little pill) was quite popular for over a year. She' grown out of favor, as the other femme singers come into place (jewel, fiona, sarah, tori, dar, et al) and take their own. She (alanis) is really angry at the world. She served a p ur > > pose by covering an area that no one had covered, really, before. Most of the previous femme music was either ethereal, or hardcore. no "mainstream" was truly there to voice the angry riot grrl as well as alanis did ;) > > > This is not forsaken other femme artists. but, alanis has her place and she served it well ;) > > > you know us catholic school girls can be... > > ttfn. > > Lisa > > > > > <center>Simunye Design: New Innovations for a new world > > http://www.simunye.com > > > Into the sea of waking dreams, I follow without pride > > Nothing stands between us here & I won't be denied > > </center> -"Possession" Sarah McLachlan >