<<When I see legal Harold Ober-esque language, the first thing that pops into my mind is, like I said `censorious, unfair, biased', whatever. That's the semiotics of it. The actual meaning is the pastiche. But both things form part of the ultimate text. Camille>> See, my understanding of semiotics is completely different from yous. Word=sign=literal meaning. Or at least something within a range of accepted meanings. What I see you as doing was deconstructing my text. At the least, making a comment on the subtext. But taking it a step further, I think maybe you're commenting on the meaning of the signs and maybe skipping a step? But either way, aren't you rejecting a certain type of speech? Aren't you still saying, This type of speech is censorious, therefore wrong? Now, when you said, "the first thing that pops into my mind," that seems Reader Response to me. But that doesn't mean you can equate this with "the semiotics of it," which would presumably be scientific, reasoned, and based upon observations of an entire culture (in this case, our listserve culture--and you're just as expert as anyone else on that). Jim ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]