In response to John's post: A few notes: as I present modified and synthesized versions of arguments I call "poststructural," I hope it can be recognized 1) that I do not at all necessarily endorse them and 2) they are in spansule form, and they are altered as I have recast them in order to make them useful for me. (Perhaps this point can also support the idea that texts, especially theory texts, do not always communicate intended ideas with 100% efficiency.) My representation of various theorists in this discussion thus constitutes high hooliganism, and nothing short of it. But I see no better alternative. It should stand, I think, as a premise, that people seeking firsthand knowledge of the critical texts we discuss here ought to resort to the primary texts themselves. >From my brief encounters with Derrida, I gather that he is more frequently abused then he is used by other voices in the field. One of the first arguments I ever heard against "deconstruction" was aimed at Derrida, nobody else of so certain an association with the evil-doing school of thought being immediately available. And the argument was mostly off the mark. Its primary objection was that "deconstruction" pressed merrily on with its business while conspicuously failing to account for the implications of its central tenets on the very texts in which it put forth those tenets. That is, the arguer smartly noted that the principals of deconstruction required the delegitimation of all narratives, including the deconstructive narrative. But Derrida appears to me always to be careful about not making this poststructural slip. A piece of Derrida comes to mind: "one always inhabits [a structure], and all the more when one does not suspect it" ("Of Grammatology"). He is mindful of the sort of errors poststructuralist narratives might make: "The movements of deconstruction do not destroy structures from the outside. They are not possible and effective, nor can they take accurate aim, except by inhabiting those structures" (idid). And this, from "Structure, sign and play": "There is no sense in doing without the concepts of metaphysics in order to shake metaphysics. We have no language--no syntax and no lexicon--which is foreign to this history; we can pronounce not a single destructive proposition which has not already had to slip into the form, the logic, and the implicit postulations of precisely what it seeks to contest." Finally, a clip from John's post (re "death" of the author): > (indeed Derrida has argued > repeatedly that such an apocalyptic tone or choice of methaphors about such > things is highly suspicious and often participates in the very either/or > logic it pretends to critique) The original argument agains p-structuralism I outlined above doesn't really make sense in the presence of any of these excerpts. The situation suggests that the popular perception/representation of poststructuralism doesn't mesh very will with the work of one of its seminal figures (note the unapologetic use of the rhetoric of structure, here). Symptomatic of this are the punctuative tweezers people often use to handle the word "deconstruction." Without going so far as to say that the orignial stock of decon has been polluted, I note that the critique of structure, after so noble a beginning, and through no fault of its many honest practitioners, has slipped into a horrible complacency. I offer all this talking by way of answering John's post. First, I want to agree, emphatically, that in discussing the death of the author and other things that involve the split between structuralism and poststructuralism, we should avoid the idea that we can get outside of structure. Indeed, we should not speak of "after the subject" in easy ways. Gestures toward something outside of structure are generally useless. The best place--the only place--to critique a structure is from within. Secondly, I explain why I include Derrida in my vision of poststructuralism. The above quotations supply me with the motive. Each quotation acknowleges a move of recognizing one's own complicity with what one is critiquing, and I see this as the defining poststructural move. According, I think, to Derrida, this is how "deconstruction" separates itself from plain-old "destruction." Now, when I note that Barthes eventually gives way to Foucault and the poststructuralists, I have in mind the Foucault who himself is very attentive to the problems inherent in trying to escape structure. I take "What is an Author" in part as a response to author-killers everywhere; not only do people generally fail to kill author functions, doing so isn't necessarily a good idea. It would involve transcending structure, which can only be done with smoke and mirrors, ultimately only by way of illusion. I characterize Derrida and Foucault as poststructuralists who don't want to replace structure with astructural alternatives because 1) they are chimerical, anyway), and 2) doing so would be as bad as inverting a binary. The gem poststructuralism has to offer is a way of recognizing one's structurality, and being open to alternatives that hitherto have been dismissed as inferior or marginal and therefor useless. One doesn't do away with structure; one critiques it. Perhaps, trying to represent the voice of poststructuralism, I suggested that Foucault and people like him were given to flippant treatments of the questions of structure, talking roguishly about postrationality in a very rational way. My mistake. Finally: John wrote: >I also suspect I am trying the list's patience (and I feel guilty for >leaving out the other JD -- such a strange thing to find intention >arguments on a list that is on the one hand about and structured around the >notion of a "single author" and "his" works and on the other hand about an >author who is often defined explicitly by his silence on such matters....). >I will stop now and will continue the theory discussion privately if >anyone still wishes me to go further into such things (which I cannot >imagine). I move to keep it public, for the benefit of lurkers, onlookers, and other interested parties. These posts are easily deleted. And judging by the editing habits of posters here, nobody has any problem with disk space. -There is no harm in the allowed fool. ObSalinger: Lane Coutell. -- Matt Kozusko mkozusko@parallel.park.uga.edu