Re: an arteest

'Scuse me, Tina, but the WTC was attacked during the Clinton Admin, and attacked
successfully. Remember those vans filled with peat moss detonated in the
basement? They were trying to topple the towers then too. They successfully
carried out their plan. They just didn't have the right plan. From what I
remember of Bin Laden tapes found after 9/11, he didn't think the planes would
topple the buildings...just destroy the upper floors. Guess he got lucky this
time.

You're still terribly misguided on this point. Clinton couldn't stop 9/11 any
more than he could stop the previous WTC attacks, or the multiple attacks on US
embassies that killed more than just a few people...

Jim

tina carson wrote:

> Actually, I'm stating the opposite. I'm saying that I wasn't a Clinton fan,
> but I also think that Clinton staved off huge attacks like 911, by frequent
> meetings, at least one per week devoted solely to al-quida, and often much
> more frequently. Whereas Bush, (as two people from his single al-quida
> meeting stated), not only didn't know what an al-quida was, but had to be
> instructed on how to pronounce it. were there terrorist attacks before 911?
> of course, but with only a handful of casualties. Headline makers, not
> graveyard fillers. Suddenly, after a year of disregarding world opinion,
> walking out on international conferences, throwing away assistance from
> allies, and irresponsibly not receiving intelligence that had been gathered,
> the world lost 3000 people in a day. Was Clinton great? no. Is Bush
> embarrassingly, criminally bad? absolutely. Your post discusses the
> headlines, but it ignores the successful interventions that prevented
> fatalities ending in headlines during the Clinton years.
> "respectfully disagreeing" tina
>
> >Stating a preference for Clinton is one thing; saying that 9/11 might not
> >have happened had Clinton been in office (scroll down to read your previous
> >post) is too much. I doubt anyone could have prevented it, and Clinton's
> >foreign policy, to the extent that it affected it at all, contributed to it
> >(for the reasons I listed below).
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >tina carson wrote:
> >
> >>although i hardly think of clinton as the free world's greatest leader, i
> >>believe bush to be currently the most dangerous. would i choose clinton?
> >>no. would i prefer him to bush? hands down.
> >>"respectfully disagreeing" tina
> >>
> >>>Oh, that's too much :). Bush's foreign policy lacks diplomacy at best
> >>>and is
> >>>dangerous at worst. Clinton's was buffonery. Clinton's the one that got
> >>>Bin
> >>>Laden expelled to Afghanistan to begin with, who was responsible for that
> >>>snafu
> >>>in the Sudan that led Bin Laden to think American soldiers would be a
> >>>pushover,
> >>>who bombed the pharmaceuticals plant that produced...pharmaceuticals (not
> >>>the
> >>>chemicals used to made VX gas. Chemical analysis of the soil by US
> >>>researchers
> >>>confirmed this), whose help was counterproductive (back-asswards,
> >>>actually)
> >>>during Russia's transition to capitalism...the list goes on and on.
> >>>Clinton was
> >>>also the one that decided that US policy toward Hussein was no longer
> >>>"containment" but "regime change," by the way.
> >>>
> >>>He did great with the economy, though.
> >>>
> >>>Jim
> >>>
> >>>PS Good luck with the Borges.
> >>>
> >>>tina carson wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > then, again, he might not have had to "endure" 9 11 if he had taken
> >>> > precautions as Clinton did. Clinton had 1 or 2 meetings per week re:
> >>>al
> >>> > quida, bush had 1 in a year
> >>> > tina
> >>> >
> >>> > >From: James Rovira <jrovira@drew.edu>
> >>> > >Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> >>> > >To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> >>> > >Subject: Re: an arteest
> >>> > >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:41:04 -0400
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Nah, I don't think Bush is any worse than anyone else would be in his
> >>> > >position. He has the same political realities to deal with and was
> >>>the
> >>> > >President who endured the shock of 9/11. Like it or not, he used
> >>>restraint
> >>> > >in the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq, especially given the
> >>>damage
> >>> > >we are capable of inflicting. But for my money I'd rather see McCain
> >>>or
> >>> > >Powell in there for the next four years rather than Bush.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Not that it matters...the Democrats don't seem to have anyone they
> >>>can
> >>> > >successfully run. Democratic leadership is virtually an oxymoron
> >>>these
> >>> > >days.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Jim
> >>> > >
> >>> > >tina carson wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >>Agreeing on all points, Jim. Now if we could just get other
> >>>seriously
> >>> > >>deranged, dangerous individuals out of office, like, say, George
> >>>Bush
> >>> > >>tina
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >
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