Re: an arteest

Oh, and just to be perfectly clear, I'm not defending Clinton, I'm attacking
GWB
tina

>'Scuse me, Tina, but the WTC was attacked during the Clinton Admin, and
>attacked
>successfully. Remember those vans filled with peat moss detonated in the
>basement? They were trying to topple the towers then too. They
>successfully
>carried out their plan. They just didn't have the right plan. From what
>I
>remember of Bin Laden tapes found after 9/11, he didn't think the planes
>would
>topple the buildings...just destroy the upper floors. Guess he got lucky
>this
>time.
>
>You're still terribly misguided on this point. Clinton couldn't stop 9/11
>any
>more than he could stop the previous WTC attacks, or the multiple attacks
>on US
>embassies that killed more than just a few people...
>
>Jim
>
>tina carson wrote:
>
> > Actually, I'm stating the opposite. I'm saying that I wasn't a Clinton
>fan,
> > but I also think that Clinton staved off huge attacks like 911, by
>frequent
> > meetings, at least one per week devoted solely to al-quida, and often
>much
> > more frequently. Whereas Bush, (as two people from his single al-quida
> > meeting stated), not only didn't know what an al-quida was, but had to
>be
> > instructed on how to pronounce it. were there terrorist attacks before
>911?
> > of course, but with only a handful of casualties. Headline makers,
>not
> > graveyard fillers. Suddenly, after a year of disregarding world
>opinion,
> > walking out on international conferences, throwing away assistance from
> > allies, and irresponsibly not receiving intelligence that had been
>gathered,
> > the world lost 3000 people in a day. Was Clinton great? no. Is Bush
> > embarrassingly, criminally bad? absolutely. Your post discusses the
> > headlines, but it ignores the successful interventions that prevented
> > fatalities ending in headlines during the Clinton years.
> > "respectfully disagreeing" tina
> >
> > >Stating a preference for Clinton is one thing; saying that 9/11 might
>not
> > >have happened had Clinton been in office (scroll down to read your
>previous
> > >post) is too much. I doubt anyone could have prevented it, and
>Clinton's
> > >foreign policy, to the extent that it affected it at all, contributed
>to it
> > >(for the reasons I listed below).
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >
> > >tina carson wrote:
> > >
> > >>although i hardly think of clinton as the free world's greatest
>leader, i
> > >>believe bush to be currently the most dangerous. would i choose
>clinton?
> > >>no. would i prefer him to bush? hands down.
> > >>"respectfully disagreeing" tina
> > >>
> > >>>Oh, that's too much :). Bush's foreign policy lacks diplomacy at
>best
> > >>>and is
> > >>>dangerous at worst. Clinton's was buffonery. Clinton's the one that
>got
> > >>>Bin
> > >>>Laden expelled to Afghanistan to begin with, who was responsible for
>that
> > >>>snafu
> > >>>in the Sudan that led Bin Laden to think American soldiers would be a
> > >>>pushover,
> > >>>who bombed the pharmaceuticals plant that produced...pharmaceuticals
>(not
> > >>>the
> > >>>chemicals used to made VX gas. Chemical analysis of the soil by US
> > >>>researchers
> > >>>confirmed this), whose help was counterproductive (back-asswards,
> > >>>actually)
> > >>>during Russia's transition to capitalism...the list goes on and on.
> > >>>Clinton was
> > >>>also the one that decided that US policy toward Hussein was no longer
> > >>>"containment" but "regime change," by the way.
> > >>>
> > >>>He did great with the economy, though.
> > >>>
> > >>>Jim
> > >>>
> > >>>PS Good luck with the Borges.
> > >>>
> > >>>tina carson wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > then, again, he might not have had to "endure" 9 11 if he had
>taken
> > >>> > precautions as Clinton did. Clinton had 1 or 2 meetings per week
>re:
> > >>>al
> > >>> > quida, bush had 1 in a year
> > >>> > tina
> > >>> >
> > >>> > >From: James Rovira <jrovira@drew.edu>
> > >>> > >Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> > >>> > >To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> > >>> > >Subject: Re: an arteest
> > >>> > >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:41:04 -0400
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >Nah, I don't think Bush is any worse than anyone else would be in
>his
> > >>> > >position. He has the same political realities to deal with and
>was
> > >>>the
> > >>> > >President who endured the shock of 9/11. Like it or not, he used
> > >>>restraint
> > >>> > >in the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq, especially given
>the
> > >>>damage
> > >>> > >we are capable of inflicting. But for my money I'd rather see
>McCain
> > >>>or
> > >>> > >Powell in there for the next four years rather than Bush.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >Not that it matters...the Democrats don't seem to have anyone
>they
> > >>>can
> > >>> > >successfully run. Democratic leadership is virtually an oxymoron
> > >>>these
> > >>> > >days.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >Jim
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >tina carson wrote:
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >>Agreeing on all points, Jim. Now if we could just get other
> > >>>seriously
> > >>> > >>deranged, dangerous individuals out of office, like, say, George
> > >>>Bush
> > >>> > >>tina
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >
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