...maybe students who think >they can wait for good teachers may never learn to accept responsisiblity >for their own learning progress--I Hope Mr. Chinda at least finds some >good learning on this list, will > >ps: hint:good students make a teacher improve... > So the students don't take responsibility, and the teachers don't take responsibility, and we're left with this ridiculous ennui. As a professor, Will--and, if your contribution to this list is any indication, a damn good professor--it may be easier than you think to lay the burden of effort on the shoulders of the students. I won't deny you that most of the weight *does* belong there. But as a 20-yr-old who is still wiping his feet of high school, I can tell you that, while it shouldn't take a good teacher to motivate a student, it's terribly easy for a bad teacher to ruin a student's motivation. I barely passed high school myself; we're talking a matter of three percentage points on a final exam. Since I've been in college, though, the teachers have made all the difference. I take credit for my former indolence, but I can also tell you that I excelled in the few h.s. classes where the teacher took some interest in helping his/her students' learning experiences. The problem with school is that you have teachers *and* students, and a good education is a joint effort. When one lags, the other must lag as well. Brendan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com