In a message dated 98-02-08 00:36:05 EST, you write: << For those who live in or around Philadelphia, the name of the coffeehouse is Lionfish...it's in North Philadelphia, as I mentioned. I don't have the address now, but could probably find it if anyone's interested. They would love to see you, whoever you are. Brendan >> heh...good one, Brendan :) That post of mine was a poor imitation of something Mark Twain wrote called The Noble Red Man. The purpose of it isn't to bash a group, but to undermine romantic visions of them. Twain tried to undermine the romantic vision of the American Indian presented by guys like Hawthorne, for example. I saw a romantic vision of hippies being presented on the list. I have a couple of English profs who, by their dress and looks (and age), could be classified as hippies. They're pretty cool too. But they've settled down, own a home, have jobs, and are living a pretty establishment life--something a real hippie wouldn't do, I don't think. Human beings are human beings--we are all capable of great love and self sacrifice, and great stupidity and selfishness. There's just no sense idealizing any group, or vilifying any group. Jim