> >Human beings are human beings--we are all capable of great love and > self > >sacrifice, and great stupidity and selfishness. There's just no sense > >idealizing any group, or vilifying any group. > > > >Jim Well, that's what I was getting at. There ARE no groups. We're all just human beings. It is not he or she or them or it that you belong to. And if you can accept the attendant exhilarating liberation (as well as bracing yourself for the suspicious terror when you realize that others want you dead simply because you have the obvious strength it takes to already live in the kingdom within) that comes with that perspective, then you get an idea of exactly what every spiritual leader has ever tried to say. I.E. Start your own revolution and cut out the middle man. Malcolm