Subject: Re: Certainly Nuns
From: Chris Kubica (ckubica@home.com)
Date: Tue Jan 08 2002 - 11:13:06 GMT
Cecilia,
Very well put. Thanks for that. I couldn't have said it even a little bit
worse myself! ;)
Another thing I noticed on my recent rereading of TCITR: nuns seem to be
angelic folk, no pun intended, in JDS. I think specifically of the nuns in
TCITR and "Blue Period".
What's with the "can do no wrong" attitude toward nuns? Is there something
in JDS's bio that explains this? Nuns at an Army hospital perhaps? Perhaps
his first wife was an escaped nun who could draw like Michelangelo?
Chris K
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecilia Baader" <ceciliabaader@yahoo.com>
To: <bananafish@roughdraft.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Certainly
>
> --- Chris Kubica <ckubica@home.com> wrote:
>
> > I suppose it has something to do with Holden ALSO being a phony,
> > sometimes, without knowing it, eh? Or being phony with Phoebs,
> > one of the kids near HC's crazy cliff?
>
> I've often thought that this is precisely the point: Holden's just as much
> of a phoney as everybody else, he just hates it more. Have you ever heard
> the old cliche, we hate in others that which we hate the most in
> ourselves?
>
> The best example is that scene in the bar where he runs into D.B.'s
> girlfriend and her date. He talks to them, asks them all the expected
> phoney things, even though all the while he's justifying this behavior by
> telling himself that this is what you have to do in order to live in this
> world. Holden's angry, but not angry enough to shuck off the coil of all
> social customs.
>
> He does things like that throughout the novel, but the difference between
> Holden and the rest of the phoneys is that he's self-aware. He doesn't
> want to be like them.
>
> So then the question arises: if this is what Holden is like on the inside
> and this is how he acts on the outside, how can we truly judge anybody?
> You never know what's going on inside somebody's head. That person may be
> wanting to stop kids from falling off a cliff in a wheat field and is just
> making conversation while he works out the details.
>
> And if that's true, then who is really a phoney? You can't make the
> differentiation because you can't ever really know. I mean, look at what
> a little pain in the twasane Holden is to the people around him. Nobody
> would guess in a million years what's going on inside his head. A person
> who made the decision to hate all the phoneys would certainly lump Holden
> in with them and be wrong, no? So then that begs the conclusion that you
> can't hate anybody. You've got to love everybody no matter what they're
> like, sort of like Seymour's fat lady, because maybe we're all Holdens
> inside.
>
> Beautiful, no?
>
> Regards,
> Cecilia.
>
>
>
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