<<<We grow out of innocence, a bad state to stay in, into experience, a bad state to stay in, until we become like the Old Man in the cycle of poems, regaining a wise experience.>>> How I hope to Strawberry Jello this is true for all adults...and especially me. Why? Because I'm an egocentric immature pimple faced bastard. :) Call me Holden Caufield...or Lane Coutrel if you prefer. Both would I think fit the description, although I would tag "holy" to the beginning to describe Holden. Eric