Re: Kafka and rilke and Perplexity State University

--- Kim Johnson <haikux2@yahoo.com> wrote:
the writer's part
> to
> think *everything* which issues forth from her pen
> should be read by other people?

let me be clear that "her" does NOT refer to tina.

i mean the generic "writer", the inclusive "her/his".

thanks,
kim

>
> --- James Rovira <jrovira@drew.edu> wrote:
> > There's a world of difference between asking for
> > voluntary
> > self-censorship (which can always be ignored by
> the
> > writer -- it's only
> > followed at will) and imposing an external
> > censorship (which is imposed
> > by force against the will of the writer). Kim is
> > doing the latter and
> > not the former.
> >
> > I've heard of one poet that "He'd be a great poet
> if
> > he didn't publish
> > everything he'd written." A little
> self-censorship
> > is a good thing, I
> > think. I don't think there's any escaping the
> > feeling of mortification
> > most writers have when reading their old works,
> but
> > perhaps the reasons
> > for this feeling of mortification won't be quite
> > as...mortifying...if we
> > follow Kim's advice.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Kim Johnson wrote:
> > > --- tina carson <tina_carson@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Oh, Kim, I really must take issue with this one.
> > >>Ever heard of Walt Witman?
> > >
> > >
> > > was he the guy who had that hot three-way with
> > emilie
> > > dickinsen and ralph david emersen?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Sorry, Kim, I still think
> > >>you're being an advocate for sensorship, and
> > perhaps
> > >>a bit snobbish.
> > >
> > >
> > > i'm an advocate for as much sensory experience
> as
> > > possible.
> > >
> > > it's safe to delete "perhaps" and "a bit".
> > >
> > >
> > >>I
> > >>don't know about other authors, but even though
> I
> > >>would not duplicate it
> > >>today, I certainly don't regret even the most
> > naive
> > >>of my works.
> > >
> > >
> > > lucky you. (and, honestly, this is not said
> > snidely.)
> > >
> > > kim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>>is what i'm suggesting below censorship?
> > >>>
> > >>>i'm still allowing the smitten creator to
> > >>
> > >>buttonhole
> > >>
> > >>>any poor fool to hear her latest creation.
> > >>>
> > >>>i think the permanency of print should perhaps
> be
> > >>>withheld until the muse's visitation is over,
> and
> > >>>there can be a more judicious assessment of
> what
> > >>>transpired.
> > >>>
> > >>>surely any number of writers would, if they
> only
> > >>>could, wish back their headlong rush into
> print.
> > >>>
> > >>>even our dear doctor on our very own list, it
> > seems
> > >>
> > >>to
> > >>
> > >>>me, if i read him correctly, regrets allowing
> his
> > >>>first two books into print. and these weren't
> > >>
> > >>books
> > >>
> > >>>of mere juvenilia.
> > >>>
> > >>>kim
> > >>>
> > >>>--- tina carson <tina_carson@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>Sensorship is the death of creativity, Kim
> > >>>>tina
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>the sheer amount of contemporary poetry is
> > >>>>>overwhelming. (i'm not sure if i should put
> > >>
> > >>poetry
> > >>
> > >>>>in
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>quote marks, or not.)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>personally, i feel we (the readers) would be
> a
> > >>>>
> > >>>>whole
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>lot better off if there were to be a
> stricture
> > >>
> > >>on
> > >>
> > >>>>>publishing poetry. no poems allowed in print
> > >>
> > >>until
> > >>
> > >>>>>they have survived at least a year in an
> > >>
> > >>airless
> > >>
> > >>>>desk
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>drawer.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>but you're free to read them to any unwitting
> > >>
> > >>soul.
> > >>
> > >>>>>kim
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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