Re: Suzanne Morine's Art Contest


Subject: Re: Suzanne Morine's Art Contest
From: Mattis Fishman (mattis@argoscomp.com)
Date: Tue Mar 27 2001 - 14:34:56 GMT


  It looks, Bernie, like you do not agree with Cecilia's gentle
  "if you ask me", and I would be the first to agree with you that
  her logic is a paradox as you point out, since by extension, the
  less relevant an entry is to the specified topic, the more relevant
  (as a digression) it becomes.

  I think, though, that you may have overlooked the beauty of her
  contribution, which was to try to find some middle ground in an
  exchange which had been too full of misunderstandings and
  accusations. We too "deserve better than this discussion".

  So perhaps Cecilia's approach, even if it is an attempt at bending the
  rules, is preferable to broad, vague assertions of arrogance, self-righteous
  whining and sarcastic belittling. Please, I can be serious.

  While I recognize that I am practically inviting you to continue
  in this tone and refute my observations point by point (and probably
  you have this right), I hope you realize that I may not have the
  opportunity to enter into an argument of claim and counter claim, and
  will content myself with the statement that if I have erred in my
  characterization, which is merely based upon the email which I include
  below, please forgive me. I therefore give you the right to call me
  condescending and self-righteous and to claim victory. I hope, however,
  you will echo the sentiments of a recent poster who was kind enough to
  offer an apology (for his misunderstanding and lack of familiarity with
  computer graphics and email), and let this die gracefully.

  all the best,
  Mattis

Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:27:16 +0100
To: BANANAFISH <bananafish@roughdraft.org>
From: Bernd.Wahlbrinck@t-online.de (Bernd Wahlbrinck)
Subject: Suzanne Morine's Art Contest

1. I feel genuinely sorry for Suzanne. Her idea was brilliant (I know
I am repeating myself), and she deserves better than this discussion.
In fact, I am sorry I brought up the subject again a couple of days
ago.
2. Who would have thought that on a list supposedly devoted to
characters like Holden Caulfield there would be so much arrogance?
Bernie
PS Cecilia wrote:
> Ah, well, it seems to me that your submission could be classified
> as pure digression, Scottie B. Something which would be entirely
> on-topic for a Catcher art contest, if you ask me.
> ...Any digression seems to me like it should be acceptable.
> Especially a Seymour one.
Excuse me, but you must be kidding. Someone sends Suzanne a huge
piece of art without bothering about the fact that the contest is
called CATCHER IN THE RYE ART CONTEST.
However, since it is so brilliant, you want Suzanne to accept it as a
"digression", in fact, to accept "any digression". Please, you cannot
be serious - unless you are looking forward to even "purer"
digressions - say, for example, a visualisation of a Shakespeare
sonnet (a brilliant one). On-topic equals off-topic?

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