Subject: Re: Suzanne Morine's art contest
From: Victoria Lloyd (v_k_lloyd@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Mar 29 2001 - 10:41:40 GMT
Enough is enough, people. I don't think you'll ever get a straightforward
answer (let alone apology) from our resident curmudgeon, Suzanne, however
much you deserve it. And speaking as someone who'd much rather preserve a
fragile peace than promote further recriminations, let's do something more
interesting instead - a bit of Salinger discussion, perhaps?
There was an intersting article in the London Review of Books recently about
the role of women in Salinger's life and works. It might be still
accessible on the website, if anyone's interested in reading it. I know
partly this harks back to the previous discussions about Salinger Jr's
autobiography, but the article did make some interesting points, especially
in highlighting the apparent gulf between how Salinger writes about women
and how he treats them.
I'm interested to hear what you fishes think about his female characters.
Sometimes they seem to me more like cyphers than characters - they're there
to provide a key to understanding the male protagonists rather than to be
explored as characters in their own right.
Any one have any thoughts?
Victoria
>From: Suzanne Morine <suzannem@dimensional.com>
>Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
>To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
>Subject: Re: Suzanne Morine's art contest
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:00:04 -0700
>
>At 08:01 AM 3/26/2001 +0100, Scottie Bowman wrote:
>> My apology was, of course, quite genuine as coming
>> from an aged character who has only the haziest grasp
>> of file type, file size & so on. But I didn't intend it
>> to be *that* fulsome an apology. What was my offense,
>> after all, but trying to help rescue an almost totally
>> neglected site from the doldrums? I'd have thought you'd be
>>grateful.
>
>I am entitled to my opinion just like everyone else here. All but stated by
>everyone (except Bernd, and the lurkers, and the "shut up already" fish) is
>a suggestion that I be thankful and apologize to Scottie.
>
>I can only go by what logic tells me the facts (*) are telling me, what I
>believe is going on. I cannot accept an apology laced with lies (*) and I
>certainly refuse to apologize for being mail bombed, and (worse) being lied
>to and about.
>
>I'm fine with dropping this topic as I really don't need to read another
>denial (and now threats, too) and more defenses of Scottie Bowman, the most
>vocally honored and admired member of this list.
>
>Suzanne
>President, Bernd Wahlbrinck Appreciation Club (newly formed)
>
>
>(*) email me if you really want to read the details again. I will add here,
>in response to one of Scottie's other notes and to Cecilia's
>tongue-in-cheek (yes?) suggestion: no, I never refused his entry on the
>grounds that it set an unfairly high standard. No, it's not in the contest
>because it violates several rules of the contest: it is not related to
>CITR, it is too tall, too wide, and the file size is too big (yes, even as
>a gif). Entering his "Seymour Agonistes" would be completely unfair to the
>other entrants who were led to believe that they'd be competing against
>much smaller images than his and images that are restricted to the subjects
>and themes of _The Catcher in the Rye_.
>
>I outlined those problems right in my response to Scottie's six megabyte "a
>byte too far?" "Seymour Agonistes" email:
>"The file size is 58 X larger than the rules allow. I don't know who
>Seymour Agonistes is [..] isn't in Catcher. The file format is not
>displayable on the web. The pixel size is 4 X larger than the rules allow,
>too."
>
>Fish, rather than emailing me about the details, do something more
>important with your time: please read about and support Anti-Slavery
>International (slavery still exists, mainly in the form of bonded labor,
>especially children).
><http://www.antislavery.org/selection.htm>
>
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