Subject: Re: Reference to JDS by Paul Thomas Anderson
From: Jim Rovira (jrovira@drew.edu)
Date: Thu May 09 2002 - 15:07:55 EDT
thanks. I'm even worse, enjoying watching myself write...
:)
Jim
Micaela wrote:
>
> Cecilia, you're great. So are you Jim. I keep wanting to agree with you
> both no matter what you write. I like being a discussion voyeur.
>
> -M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org
> [mailto:owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org]On Behalf Of Cecilia Baader
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 12:42 PM
> To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> Subject: Re: Reference to JDS by Paul Thomas Anderson
>
> --- Jim Rovira <jrovira@drew.edu> wrote:
>
> > Don't really know how to further respond to you. You asked me to check
> > my own department in reply to a post in which I described
> > my own department
> > :).
>
> No, Jim, I said to check the makeup with regards to full professors v.
> assistant professors v. adjunct professors and lecturers. I think you'll
> find I'm right. It's certainly true of the three English departments of
> my own experience.
>
> I can spout facts at you all day long. For instance, in my own English
> Department, six of the full tenured professors are men, while only three
> are women. Two assistant professors are men, and one is a woman. Three
> of the adjunct lecturers are men, while eight are women. Add it up and
> you'll see that although the women outnumber the men in my department in
> numbers similar to those you reported, you'll find that few of them have
> managed to find tenure. I'll let you work out the percentages for
> yourself.
>
> And Wisconsin is famous for its institutional liberalism, too.
>
> Nothing's more tiresome than a woman whining about inequality, but it's
> not usually the men in a department who notice these things.
>
> How did we get on this discussion?
>
> > I think it's a mistake to too carefully distinguish between HS teachers
> > and college level academics -- who trains the HS teachers? :).
>
> Other High School teachers and Department Heads. College education
> classes have little to do with curriculum ten years down the line, and
> it's not the newly graduated teachers who decide what books to teach.
>
> > I was told that one institution in So. Cal. hired a guy fresh out
> > of grad school to be a DEAN of all things --
> > simply because the institution was located in a densely hispanic area
> > and he was a competent hispanic scholar.
>
> Yes, but everyone knows that they're all nuts in Southern California.
>
> KIDDING. Kidding. No hate mail from California, please.
>
> > PC obsession, we both recognize, is widely disseminated. To think it
> > doesn't affect the makeup of faculty and admininistration is a bit
> > silly...
>
> I never suggested that. However, I'm tired of people claiming that
> because of political correctness and affirmative action, equality is a
> reality, because it isn't. It isn't. It is not.
>
> Regards,
> Cecilia.
>
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