Subject: Re: For Will
From: Valerie (kate.beown@wanadoo.fr)
Date: Fri May 10 2002 - 17:03:04 EDT
Re: For WillDon't worry, you can express yourself; I'm not going to yell on you (my english is approximative and so, I wouldn't be able to write anything but basic insults with no insight). In fact, my last post was only half-serious. Sometimes, I just think this antagonism between the so-called 'innocence' of children and the (urgh! ugly) corrupted mind of grown-ups is too simple, and in fact, too cynical and too conformist.Or at least much more cynical and conformist than what adults ideals are supposed to be. I add that kids in Salinger's stories are everything but kids: they often are alike to think like adults ,and so I'm not sure they're the perfect illustration of what we generically call 'innocence of children'. And you know, when I try to remember how my childhood was, first, it's very confused, secondly, I can't tell you I was just ignorant. So, unless ignorance=innocence, I don't remember myself as an innocent child. But I try to become an innocent adult. I try.
Valérie.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaime Stallard
To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: For Will
I am a little hesistant to post anything because of the spitefullness being spewed back and forth, I am rather new to the list so maybe it's all just joking among friends. Who knows?? - but here goes:
Obviously Salinger values children and their way of looking at things - we know he loves his women young - and he likes to immortalize children and their innocence, so I completely agree that to look at his stories from a child's perspective is to look at them in a way Salinger would want you to. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think he values a child's perspective much more than that of the corrupt, cynical, and conformist ideals that so many adults in his stories hold.
-----------Jaime
----- Original Message -----
From: Valerie
To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: For Will
----- Original Message -----
From: Micaela
To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: For Will
. I think the closer you are to having the spirit of a child then the closer you are to the spirit of what Salinger is trying to say. Maybe in twenty years I, too, will feel differently, but I hope to god that I don't.
Micaela,
I think we haven't met the same children. Most of those I know are just cruel and careless to other people. I'm reluctant to think that the spirit of child is an ideal. God, I just want to kick their ass! :)
Val
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