In a message dated 98-11-04 16:57:55 EST, you write: << This sounds more like a math problem than a koan...this is suppose to stop making you think rationally? I'm a little confused. >> Zen koans are supposed to make you think completely without logic reason and especially math! Ponder deliberate and think on it until your mind is foreced to come up with some completely illogical answer... :} (or so I've studied...)