Subject: Re: Re: Matrix crap? :)
ZazieZazie@hetnet.nl
Date: Wed Oct 10 2001 - 20:48:46 GMT
At 08/10/01 22:59:00, you wrote:
>Calling something "crap" is pretty straightforward, no matter how much
>you tried to tone it down once I called you on it. It's not a statement
>about preference, it's a statement about content -- content you haven't
>really addressed at all. But I think you need to own up to your own
>words even more than this. More below...
Yeah, right! First of all, I don't need to own up to anything.
Second, I was referring to style, when I used the word 'crap'. Even to you it
should be clear, now, that it wasn't about content. So I wasn't toning down anything, merely
clarifying something. Please stick to the point.
>ZazieZazie@hetnet.nl wrote:
>>
>> YOU, on the other hand, do not only have problem with understanding,
>> also the reading dept. on your side doesn't seem too well developed.
>> How ever you managed to conclude from my post that I said that I
>> rejected their ideas because of their (or yours, let's put blame where > blame is due) style
is beyond me.
>
>You seem not to remember your own words. Here they are:
>
>>The style, however ... brrrr! It's this sort of style one is confronted > with all day long
when one studies Media Studies, not only in
>> writing but also in speech,
>
>Simple grammar. The subject of the sentence is "style." It's what
>you're talking about.
>
I fail to see how this implies that I reject content based solely or partly on the style.
Simple logic. It's what you fail to see.
>> when the lecturer is trying to impress his audience.
>
>Interesting judgment on everyone who uses that type of language. Derrida
>, at least, seems to me to be writing as he does because he's aware that
>his own writing participates in the problems he's trying to address.
>Yes, some are using language just as they do simply to impress an
>audience. You didn't seem to leave much room for any other motive,
>however.
Well, since it's not unlike the use of Latin in Medieval times by the clergy,
largely to impress and exclude the masses. But of course, in theory there could
be a lot of noble motives for using this style.
>Makes me wonder how much of it you really understand
Keep on wondering ...
>...and as much as you say you do, you still haven't addressed content.
Please point out to me where I said I have addressed content. You just
put words in my mouth.
>> I suppose, my slightly less than amused attitude towards this,
>
>I can only assume, since you are speaking within the context of this
>discussion, that your "slightly less than amused attitude" means that
>you think it's "crap." "This" in this sentence meaning, of course,
>style; a style adopted, you think, simply to impress people.
>
>> is not wholly incomprehensible.
>
>Therefore Style = your "not wholly incomprehensible" reason for calling
>it "crap" (I suppose we should say "Style + the motives you project upon
>others for writing in that style = crap," to be more accurate). Now,
>back to your latest post:
It seems you DO understand, however I don't want to jump to conclusions here ...
>> How ever you managed to conclude from my post that I said that I
>> rejected their ideas because of their (or yours, let's put blame where > blame is due) style
is beyond me.
>
>It shouldn't be beyond you -- it's almost what you said. I didn't say
>you rejected their ideas, though. I said you called my piece "crap"
>because I **talked about** their ideas (and therefore, I imagine, made
>reference to that horrible language).
>
Hey! Interesting word here, 'almost' ... And I didn't say any crappy
about their ideas (no pun intended).
>Now are you going to ever address content? I don't think so.
do you really think I care? Think long and hard now, mister ....
>
>See, what you still don't get is that I'm not writing in that style
>right now, or in any other post on any listserve or, for that matter,
>even in the Matrix essay. Blame where blame is due should not,
>therefore, be blame on me. I think you'd better look in a mirror.
Well if you don't write like this, good for you! I clap.
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