Re: angry chick singers
Lisa M. Rabey (lisa@simunye.com)
Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:18:35 -0800
At 01:14 PM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
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>hmm...not to say the opposite of what you just said, lisa, but i have some
>different opinions about alanis. so, i guess i am saying the opposite of
>what you just said...oh well.
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Thats why its a discussion =) I very well couldn't expect everyone to have
the same opinion's that I have. That would be down right scary! =)
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>i think there's a huge, justified backlash against alanis, a tendency to
>rightfully smash her, because i think she's sort of...well...a fake. a
>salinger-esque phony. a total product of her culture.
Well, I don't think she is *fake*. I mean, she *is* talented. I will grant
her that. But like I said, her music served a particular need/time/place,
and now it no longer exists. Well, maybe not as much.
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>ok, i have her damn
>cd, and i loved it. but then i started reading and talking about her a
>bit, and discovered that she is kind of created (as most musicians these
>days are, i admit) by the music industry.
Not really. If you *really* read about her, you would know she was on "you
can't do that on television" and has had previous pop albums out that were
the sugarpop music of the early-mid 80's (just like Tori was in a band
called "y kant tori read' and Sarah Mclachlan was also in a pop band before
she went solo.) But she got older, and her music reflects that, in my
opinion.
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>the reason i don't like her anymore is because i feel like she realized
>that this "angry chick" (using the term with the maximum amount of
>love and affection and a good chunk of irony) thing was going to be the
>Next Big Thing, and she got on the bandwagon and was seen as part of the
>vanguard.
erm. I can't agree with that. "AngryRiotGrrl" music has been a long time,
with 7 year bitch, (mind blank seeing cd covers but can't remember the
bands names) but other punky-ish bands that were "angry" as well.
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>the other reason i don't like her is because i feel like she stole a lot
>of ani difranco's..well...whole persona. ani is the complete opposite of
>alanis for me. she is completely self made, founded her own record company
>to sell her records which she's made like 9 of, and she's only 25 or so.
>ani is like holden, alanis is like...stradler. or sally hayes. an updated
>version.
hrm. I think you are comparing apple's and oranges. While yes true, ani has
been around for quite some time, that would be like saying "sarah is like
tori or tori is like sarah" when comparing tori amos/sarah mclachlan. And
if you come against a SaraHPhile and a ToriPhile, each one will say the
other "sucks". While each is similar, they are both unique in their own
ways. Alanis is more "mainstream" than Ani was at that time, and I think
that is what pisses a lot of people off. I know that sometimes, if someone
"becomes" popular, they "choose" to not like the music anymore because it
"is" mainstream. Kinda silly, but I have been known to do it myself. =)
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>but, maybe not. maybe she's real. but it seems to be that she's completely
>created by the record industry. in the 80's she was singing cheesy debbie
>gibson songs, and in the 90's she was screaming out ani-type anthems of
>self-empowerment and skepticism of men.
Um. How about she grew up? I know in the 80's I was one way, and 10 years
later I am a different way.
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>i'm not quite sure i completely understand the alanis thing in relation to
>the e.e. cummings thing, though.
ee is the king of "visual" poetry. I guess you have to know both ee and
alanis to get it.
I know I laughed my ass off about it =)
Lisa