this is a tragic situation now the comedy

Wow, four posts from the same guy in response to my one.
Excellent.
John

Yes John, you are a special guy today.
Daniel

I liked the first one best, where my own words were sent back to me in
spectacular and unmediated reflection.
John

I miss clicked but something like that never impedes the text meaning for
you. I didn't comment since I figured you would enjoy reading it since it
was from your most favorite author.
Daniel

But, as I've shown you, in at least one university, mine, that happens not
to be true. And I have no rational reason to suspect my university is in
any significant way different than most large public state-sponsored
universities. It's certainly not that much different than any of the
institutions of which I have been a part.
John

You have not shown anything just made assertions, or is that rhetoric? Your
anecdotal example is the rock that you base the sum of your 'rational
reason' on the subject? And we are to accept this for your reason? Is this
how you establish what is true?
Daniel

But this is a stupid argument.
John

I agree.
Daniel

What's the point? There are lots of liberals here on campus, too. So what?
John

The point is, why is academia important enough to use to classify people as
stupid and simple minded yet not important enough to argue over who really
controls it? I remember Fish's to hell with the masses claim from previous
posts. Yet, the taxpayers who fund directly and indirectly a large part of
Academia should not be concerned with the laborers feeding at the public
trough? There are points galore here, especially concerning rhetoricians
who are concerned with power and effecting the public organs of power. But
of course, your mind of complexities knows this.
Daniel

Does anyone really believe that liberal university professors are somehow
dramatically changing the character of America or Americans?
John

They most certainly are trying. But of Course, you knew that too.
Daniel

Does anyone really think people are being denied jobs on campus simply
because they are Republicans or that a generation of young people is really
being brainwashed according to some liberal orthodoxy.
John

Oh, that can happen everywhere else but not in our learned institutions.
What do you think your brand of truth is John? Politics are full of
corruption and power grabs, like Churches, and Corporations but some how
Academia is immune. Money grubbing conservatives are the only ones trying
to gain power to control the institutions. Should I go on John?
Daniel

That's certainly not what the national numbers reflect.
John

O quite the contrary, look at the numbers over time, but I know you are
intelligent to know that.
Daniel

And as for me, my own brand of critical thinking and my own favorite
interests are not read nor are they the concern of any but a very small
number of strange people.
John

Yea, your personal twist has little scope but it does fit in nicely with
your fellow anti-neocons.
Daniel

For almost all others, on and off campus, liberal and conservative, they
might as well not even exist. And that's fine with me, by the way.
John

I am not surprised that you take such a parochial view, but this reflects
the truth how? Oh yea, your truth is limited to that little scope of yours.
Daniel

And as to all those little articles you sent, Daniel -- am I surprised that
conservatives think there is a liberal bias at universities? Of course not.
What else would they think?
John

Of course you would marginalize them, what else would a liberal like
yourself defending the liberal bias at universities think? They can't be
true since they take power away from the liberals.
Daniel

Unfortunately, actual experiences are often more heterogeneous and distinct
than that and are liable to be somewhat more complicated too.
John

And this based on what? Research or more notes from Omlor world? As I
remember, the only actual experiences you are an expert on are yours. Yet
you find enough authority to generalize here, without embarrassment no less.
Daniel

But that sort of appreciation doesn't make for good internet chat and
listserv posts. Here we need to make stupid generalizations as if they were
meaningful and complain about stuff because, well, because that's just what
we do.
John

Who decides good internet chat and posts? Who says nothing meaningful is
going on here? You of all people shouldn't be so quick to speak for more
than yourself when attributing meaning or any generalized values. That may
be what you do but again don't be so quick to put those certain words in my
mouth. Either that or tell us the name of the mouse in your pocket.
Daniel

It's actually kind of sad in a way. So I'm off to teach. And to read. And
to write. And to think. And to advise students. And then to drink,
perchance to dream.
John

It is sad, I too must teach, learn, read, write, and think and always dream,
but I will be here too John doing those things with you even though it is
only a chat on an impoverished list serve.

So, I know I have not said anything new to you, yet you minimize liberalism
in academia why? Like the little momma bird pretending a broken wing to
lure the coyote away from the nest. Interesting.
Daniel
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