Re: The Gospels

Roll em up. Take me out :).

Rrroarrw :)

Jim

PS Good point about Holden. It's nothing I've considered before, but like I
said, I'll look for it next time I read.

Jim

tina carson wrote:

> Jim, Jim, Jim,
> Shall we just agree to disagree on this topic or shall I roll up my sleeves
> and take you out?
> "tough as nails" tina
>
> >Ok, when I read this in your previous post:
> >
> >>ie the sign of the fish for Christianity,
> >
> >I took that to mean the "fish" symbol. However, in the Gospel accounts the
> >"fish" isn't a symbol of Christianity, it's a symbol for the lost, "I will
> >make you fishers of men" -- the lost are like fish that need to be caught.
> >
> >There's a great deal of anti-gnostic polemic in Paul, whose epistles (when
> >Pauline authorship isn't widely debated) were written well before any of
> >the Gospel accounts. For that matter, there's also anti-Gnostic polemic in
> >the epistles of John, "If anyone says that Christ has not come in the
> >flesh, he is not of God." The idea that early Christianity was primarily a
> >Gnostic movement is snake-oil salesman scholarship and has little to no
> >textual support.
> >
> >Oh, that's right...all the evidence was destroyed in a conspiracy.
> >
> >Please :)
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >tina carson wrote:
> >
> >>Jim,
> >>You seem to have misunderstood. Allow me to be more clear.
> >>The fish that I was referring to is, specifically the story of the
> >>fisherman with a poor catch, then Jesus tells them when to throw their
> >>nets in. This is an old story of Pythagoras. Yes, though, there is ample
> >>evidence that early Christians used the fish as a symbol, which itself is
> >>a pythagorean formula for two circle merging. Jesus was a gnostic, his
> >>followers were gnostics following the new gnostic leader, and this was
> >>widely accepted until the Council of Nicea when Constantine and the Church
> >>were grasping for power. Gnosticism would take the power out of the hands
> >>of the clergy, so it had to be put down. The Church now glosses over
> >>this. They even martyred Valentinus for being a gnostic, then made him a
> >>saint.
> >>tina
> >>
> >
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