Yes, to be honest, I think Salinger would agree with Scottie's point of view more than with anyone else's on the list. But, to me, that only means they're both approaching the subject from the same narrow point of view :) If you want some good direction on the interaction between literature and ideas about literature (and literary theory), read C.S. Lewis, T.S. Eliot, and anyone else who was both a successful creative writer AND an academic. If you're just an academic--of course you're point of view is going to be a bit narrow. But there aren't too many of those. If you're just a creative writer, well, you're going to be ignorant of some things as well. Whenever we use anything--fire, water, suspension bridges--we want to know how and why they work. That's called science. Literary theory is an attempt to understand how and why language works. The problem is that language is bigger than the human race--so far as we can tell, animals use some form of language, and if there are indeed other intelligent life forms in the universe, they probably use language as well. So as human beings studying language, and only being able to study our own, we're limited. Very, terribly, fatally limited. What's even more limiting is the fact that our language is itself the only means by which we can think about language. It's like trying to study your own eye in a microscope--very distracting. And also very much like trying to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. But we still try. Jim <<Chatting about books should thus be distinguished from such cruel and barbaric activities as beating to them death with literary theory. As for Scottie's suggestion that literature courses are a waste of time, and that academia tends to attract the untalented, this has been clearly (and quite convincingly in my mind) laid out by Salinger himself! Has anyone here actually read Franny & Zooey? I think the pursuit of intelligent, creative, and witty conversation is as grand a charter for this list as any. -Sean>> ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]